What I don't like about Catholics...as a Catholic.

[Nicea325]

Nicea325 - I work in an office of a small parish and you would be surprised how many people come in and get upset because they cannot be godparents for a baptism when they are only civilly married or not married at all.

Add that to your list.

Oh trust me, I know of all the gripes as the Director of Catechesis. Heard them all.

 

[Nicea325]

Actually that is the definition of “the norm.” If everyone is doing it, it is the norm.

And it still does not make it correct. If it did not come from the bishop or the pastor of the parish, it is not the norm it is a trend assumed it is the norm. Big difference.

If an office has a dress code not to wear sneakers and everyone does it, it has become the norm by default,but it still is not correct,because it was never allowed to begin with.

 

[John_oxios]

Nicea325 - I work in an office of a small parish and you would be surprised how many people come in and get upset because they cannot be godparents for a baptism when they are only civilly married or not married at all.

Add that to your list.

From the catechism:
scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c1a1.htm#1239

WHO CAN BAPTIZE?

1256 The ordinary ministers of Baptism are the bishop and priest and, in the Latin Church, also the deacon.​

In case of necessity, anyone, even a non-baptized person, with the required intention, can baptize
, by using the Trinitarian baptismal formula.
The intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes. The Church finds the reason for this possibility in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation.

Faith and Baptism

#1253 Baptism is the sacrament of faith. But faith needs the community of believers. It is only within the faith of the Church that each of the faithful can believe. The faith required for Baptism is not a perfect and mature faith, but a beginning that is called to develop. The catechumen or the godparent is asked: “What do you ask of God’s Church?” The response is: "Faith!"

#1254 For all the baptized, children or adults, faith must grow after Baptism. For this reason the Church celebrates each year at the Easter Vigil the renewal of baptismal promises. Preparation for Baptism leads only to the threshold of new life. Baptism is the source of that new life in Christ from which the entire Christian life springs forth.

#1255 For the grace of Baptism to unfold, the parents’ help is important. So too is the role of the godfather and godmother, who must be firm believers, able and ready to help the newly baptized - child or adult on the road of Christian life.
Their task is a truly ecclesial function (officium). The whole ecclesial community bears some responsibility for the development and safeguarding of the grace given at Baptism.

*According to the Catechism the only requisite for a God -Parent is that they be Firm believers. *

God bless,
John

 

[Nicea325]

From the catechism:
scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c1a1.htm#1239

WHO CAN BAPTIZE?

1256 The ordinary ministers of Baptism are the bishop and priest and, in the Latin Church, also the deacon.​

In case of necessity, anyone, even a non-baptized person, with the required intention, can baptize
, by using the Trinitarian baptismal formula.
The intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes. The Church finds the reason for this possibility in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation.

Faith and Baptism

#1253 Baptism is the sacrament of faith. But faith needs the community of believers. It is only within the faith of the Church that each of the faithful can believe. The faith required for Baptism is not a perfect and mature faith, but a beginning that is called to develop. The catechumen or the godparent is asked: “What do you ask of God’s Church?” The response is: "Faith!"

#1254 For all the baptized, children or adults, faith must grow after Baptism. For this reason the Church celebrates each year at the Easter Vigil the renewal of baptismal promises. Preparation for Baptism leads only to the threshold of new life. Baptism is the source of that new life in Christ from which the entire Christian life springs forth.

#1255 For the grace of Baptism to unfold, the parents’ help is important. So too is the role of the godfather and godmother, who must be firm believers, able and ready to help the newly baptized - child or adult on the road of Christian life.
Their task is a truly ecclesial function (officium). The whole ecclesial community bears some responsibility for the development and safeguarding of the grace given at Baptism.

*According to the Catechism the only requisite for a God -Parent is that they be Firm believers. *

God bless,
John

Yes,but you are aware that many parishes do not abide by the canon law-right? And why? Because pastors have the authority at their own parishes.

 

[Apryl]

Show me that one in the Canon Law, Even a divorced person, can become a Godparent, as long as he has not remarried outside the Church.

I don’t know whereTobyLue has gone to, but I think the problem is people who are LIVING AS IF MARRIED who are not married. That would be a problem.

The thing is, these days, it’s HARD to find a couple who is not only living together as if married, but every one KNOWS they are living together as if married.


But that’s what I think TobyLue was talking about.

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

Nowadays people have become to anti-penance they want their churches running with the AC full blast, they want their kneelers padded (we had old wooden splinter riddled but never complained), pews also padded etc. They want to worship in luxury or they wont go to church because its too

Well…I am happy now that our Church FINALLY got A/C…

Now if I could just have the padded pews of my Sunday parish with the nicely padded kneelers of the daily parish I go to…I would be one happy woman

 

[John_oxios]

Yes,but you are aware that many parishes do not abide by the canon law-right? And why? Because pastors have the authority at their own parishes.

Sorry Nicea,
as director of Catechesis, you ought to know Canon law is the rule, in fact Canon means ‘reed’ which was the rule of measure.

Customs and traditions ought not go against the Canon. And Pastors authority? Is always under the Bishop. When a Bishop walks on to your parish property, the local pastor relinquishes all his authority. So even though you pastor may frown on a civil married person the right to be a god-parent, they could easily apeal to the Bishop.

What you stated that civilly married people are not acceptable, however the RCC recognizes the commitment they have made to each other in the civil marriage.
It it is a religious mix marriage it doesn’t exclude the Catholic member from receiving.

A couple living together well, the Church does frown on that!  And allowing a person the right to be a god-parent would be condoning the live in relationship.

God bless,
John

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Don’t recall whether the OP listed this but:

Catholics who loudly and often declaim they do not believe any of the teachings of the Magisterium or Tradition—and who time and again try to convince the rest of us that God doesn’t exist—and offer ‘proofs.’

 

[rinnie]

Don’t recall whether the OP listed this but:

Catholics who loudly and often declaim they do not believe any of the teachings of the Magisterium or Tradition—and who time and again try to convince the rest of us that God doesn’t exist—and offer ‘proofs.’

But Sailor anyone who would deny CHrist,would they not cease to be Catholic?

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

But Sailor anyone who would deny CHrist,would they not cease to be Catholic?

I can’t figure that one out either.

 

[LittleSoldier]

AHHHHHHHHHH!!! :cringe:

I think this type of sentiment is the reason for this thread.

You know, for a while, I didn’t do what I was told to do (part of it…MOST of it was lack of funds, and, I still make excuses for my desires (not always sins, though, you understand)) because it wasn’t until a priest told me less than a month ago, in the confessional, “It’s not about you.”



That’s the best thing I could’ve ever heard and I try to remember it everyday, if even imperfectly.

I try to share that with others.

Anyway, I thought this thread was doing exactly that, admonishing the sinner and instructing the ignorant. The OP has done his (his?) part. It’s up to the rest of us to fix ourselves…and help others.

In the meantime, I’ve started a thread in the Prayer folder. forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=7050616#post7050616

Moreover, though, I’m asking for a novena on this thread as well, particularly for Farsight001. A Rosary Novena. To begin tomorrow, 9/11/10, because I want all who have been following THIS thread to know about it, including the lurkers. I am starting this tomorrow, and asking all others to as well, so that it does give everybody time to know about it, but, still, it’s done fairly quickly, as this person needs prayers right away. From witnessing an abuse of Christ and thinking it was great …well, really, that’s all. Whatever has been said to me or to others is not important, but, not seeing that Christ should NOT have been subject to that should make all here concerned. THIS is why I’m asking for the Novena. That this person understands how to behave in Church and how to feel sorrow or righteous anger when Our Lord is disrespected.

This is the most rude, condescending, absolutely inappropriate action I have ever seen on CAF. It shows self-righteousness and conceit. You are so much like the man who stood up near the front of the temple and showed everyone how wonderful he was; how he prayed. Wow - everyone is so impressed with a person who prays for another member and has the nerve to announce it.

This is a blatant invasion of privacy, a complete waste of time for the Prayer Warriors, and an embarrassment to CAF. This should not be allowed. This is so beyond insulting it makes me sick to my stomach. You have some nerve.

You owe Farsight and everyone else participating in this thread an overdue apology.

 

[Nicea325]

Sorry Nicea,
as director of Catechesis, you ought to know Canon law is the rule, in fact Canon means ‘reed’ which was the rule of measure.

Customs and traditions ought not go against the Canon. And Pastors authority? Is always under the Bishop. When a Bishop walks on to your parish property, the local pastor relinquishes all his authority. So even though you pastor may frown on a civil married person the right to be a god-parent, they could easily apeal to the Bishop.

What you stated that civilly married people are not acceptable, however the RCC recognizes the commitment they have made to each other in the civil marriage.
It it is a religious mix marriage it doesn’t exclude the Catholic member from receiving.

A couple living together well, the Church does frown on that!  And allowing a person the right to be a god-parent would be condoning the live in relationship.

God bless,
John

I am very familiar with canon law and its implications. However, let me ask you something? Have you ever worked for the RCC or do you currently work the church?

 

[LittleSoldier]

And it still does not make it correct. If it did not come from the bishop or the pastor of the parish, it is not the norm it is a trend assumed it is the norm. Big difference.

If an office has a dress code not to wear sneakers and everyone does it, it has become the norm by default,but it still is not correct,because it was never allowed to begin with.

You stated it was not the norm. And it is the norm. Correctness is something else. If everybody does something, it is the mean, the median, the mode, and the norm. How could it not be?

Why didn’t you say “correct” instead of “norm”?