What If An SSPX Priest Wants To Jump Ship?

[TraditionalCath]

I’m not the OP but I’m going to jump in here because I think that the subject is being changed.

How about we add the part in red below and then all will be right with the world?

What if an SSPX priest wants to become a Roman Catholic Priest in good standing with the Church (i.e. un-suspended)?

agreed.

 

[Ad_Deum]

What if an SSPX priest wants to become a Roman Catholic Priest ?

Is it a simple matter of vowing obedience to Rome ?

I don’t have problem with SSPX jumping out from a tug boat to a cruise ship, it is up to those clergy and lay members to do so.

SSPX priest for I know are still Roman Catholics eventhough they are not in full agreement with the current church and magisterium. The pope said they are not in schism nor excommunicated.

SSPX or any other Traditionalist whether they are in-full communion or not are orthodox or ultratradionalist in theology and liturgy because they preserved the authentic Catholic faith without modernization mixed into it.

Pax
Laudater Jesus Christo
Instaurare omnia in Christo

 

[Ad_Deum]

First: The SSPX does not say that the Novus Ordo is invalid. They say exactly what Fr. Corapi says; that it is valid when it is offered according to the liturgical books promulgated by Paul VI.

Second: Tell me how this is pro-Novus Ordo.

“What happened after the Council was something else entirely: in the place of liturgy as the fruit of development came fabricated liturgy. We abandoned the organic, living process of growth and development over the centuries, and replaced it–as in a manufacturing process–with a fabrication, a banal on- the-spot product.” (Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger) Preface to Reform of the Roman Rite by Klaus Gamber

The fact is the Holy Father can’t undo the damage overnight. So, he’s being politically correct nowadays rather than tell the world that he thinks the Novus Ordo is a fabricated, banal, manufactured product of a committee. (His words, not mine)
There is speculation in some circles that the Paul VI missal will be dumped for what will be known as the new rite of Benedict XVI.
Which will be some kind of an amalgmation of the two missals.

Even the 1962 version of TLM is somehow new because it is alterated a little bit compared to the 1953 version of TLM.
I compared the St. Andrew’s Missal from the 1962 version of the TLM.

Pax
Laudater Jesus Christo
Instaurare omnia in Christo

 

[Icarus210]

MariaGorettiGrl

I feel like this sometimes. There I am, minding my own business, being a good Catholic and then BAM! “Shoot! How’d I end up in sin again?”

The difference is, that you willingly and conciously did something yourself to warrant feeling that. You changed or altered your behaviour, albeit temporarily; I dont think these priests or bishops did.

 

[Icarus210]

MariaGorettiGrl

I feel like this sometimes. There I am, minding my own business, being a good Catholic and then BAM! “Shoot! How’d I end up in sin again?”

The difference is, that you willingly and conciously did something yourself to warrant feeling that. You changed or altered your behaviour, albeit temporarily; I dont think these priests or bishops did.

 

[John_Higgins]

The term you wanted was incardinated. He has to find a bishop to accept him. THEN he has faculties.

John

 

[elzoro]

Well, I was with the Fraternity for a while, and I never heard of any priest who had to confess the “sin” of being a priest of the SSPX. An SSPX priest would just come to the Fraternity and being a priest. Jeeez, like holding to tradition is a sin or something

 

[paramedicgirl]

Well, I was with the Fraternity for a while, and I never heard of any priest who had to confess the “sin” of being a priest of the SSPX. An SSPX priest would just come to the Fraternity and being a priest. Jeeez, like holding to tradition is a sin or something

It’s only a sin here, it seems.

 

[rlg94086]

Well, I was with the Fraternity for a while, and I never heard of any priest who had to confess the “sin” of being a priest of the SSPX. An SSPX priest would just come to the Fraternity and being a priest. Jeeez, like holding to tradition is a sin or something

Well, I’m sure the priests do confess sins, and I wouldn’t be shocked if an SSPX priest confessed sin related to their standing with the Church.

Of course, you wouldn’t hear about it unless they told you. I don’t think his confessor would break the seal of confession to let you know.

 

[elzoro]

While I love the Old Rite, I don’t think that it would be wise just to accept all the SPPX priests back into the Church simply so they can say our TLMs. I mean - if they sincerely have a conversion experience and those renounce views that are dangerous (e.g. that NOMs are “blasphemous” or “invalid”) then we could accept them in, but if they don’t then they are only going to hurt the body of Christ.

Catholig

“Conversion experience”, are you saying that these SSPX priests are NOT Roman Catholic? )please provide evidence from the Church) And, what, may I ask, would their “conversion” consist of specifically?? What would they have to “renounce” or reject? What would they have to hold that they did not previous to their “conversion” to the Catholic Faith??

 

[parvenu74]

Compare: SPPX says that the Novus Ordo is invalid and possibly blasphemous vs. Fr. Corapi has bluntly said that many Novus Ordos are invalid (i.e. the rubrics aren’t followed).

I don’t have a reference to Father Corpi’s words, but here’s a link to a bunch of sermons preached by SSPX priests (and even one by Bishop Williamson): svdpmedia.org/archive.php. Please cite which ones back up your accusations.

Thank you.

 

[Catholig]

I don’t have a reference to Father Corpi’s words, but here’s a link to a bunch of sermons preached by SSPX priests (and even one by Bishop Williamson): svdpmedia.org/archive.php. Please cite which ones back up your accusations.

Thank you.

Well not that I think this’ll do much good but the page on the Novus Ordo at SSPX’s website has says that it is pretty much invalid as a general rule and only a strong interior faith can make it valid. Also they pretty much misrepresent a lot of the Novus Ordo - you can tell at the beginning when they refer to the altar as a “table”.

Catholig

 

[MariaGorettiGrl]

Jeeez, like holding to tradition is a sin or something

No more than when the Jewish people held onto tradition and decided to keep waiting for the Messiah, rather than following the radical modernist who completely threw out the old covenant and suddenly changed a bunch of the rules!

 

[parvenu74]

No more than when the Jewish people held onto tradition and decided to keep waiting for the Messiah, rather than following the radical modernist who completely threw out the old covenant and suddenly changed a bunch of the rules!

Christ said that He didn’t come to destroy the law or the prophets, but to fulfill them. No rules were thrown out.

The “reformers” of the 1960’s and 1970’s were – in their own words – out to “destroy the bastions of the Church.”

 

[paramedicgirl]

Well not that I think this’ll do much good but the page on the Novus Ordo at SSPX’s website has says that it is pretty much invalid as a general rule and only a strong interior faith can make it valid. Also they pretty much misrepresent a lot of the Novus Ordo - you can tell at the beginning when they refer to the altar as a “table”.

Catholig

You mean it’s not a table? It sure looks like one.

 

[I_Believe]

I’m not the OP but I’m going to jump in here because I think that the subject is being changed.

How about we add the part in red below and then all will be right with the world?

What if an SSPX priest wants to become a Roman Catholic Priest in good standing with the Church (i.e. un-suspended)?

Thanks Bear, that’s exactly what I meant.

 

[I_Believe]

they are roman catholic. do you think they aren’t catholic?

I think the SSPX are one of the most devout groups of catholics there is. I admire them.

I was just curious what an SSPX priest had to do to in order to come home.

 

[phaley]

In my opinion all he has to do is contact the Institute for Christ the King, Sovereign Priest or the Fraternity of St. Peter. However, to practice he still needs faculties from the local ordinary who are not issuing them to traditional priests in any great abundance though that situation could change in light of the holy father’s MP. But, my question is why can’t a bishop incardinate an SSPX priest directly without forcing him to leave his Society? Is there some canonical reason for this?

 

[Malcolm_McLean]

In my opinion all he has to do is contact the Institute for Christ the King, Sovereign Priest or the Fraternity of St. Peter. However, to practice he still needs faculties from the local ordinary who are not issuing them to traditional priests in any great abundance though that situation could change in light of the holy father’s MP. But, my question is why can’t a bishop incardinate an SSPX priest directly without forcing him to leave his Society? Is there some canonical reason for this?

I am no canon lawyer, but any bishop who deserved his office would get explicit permission from Rome before doing such a thing. Canon law isn’t there to provide ways in which bishops can defy the rest of the Church.

 

[Tommy_Joe]

SSPX priest for I know are still Roman Catholics eventhough they are not in full agreement with the current church and magisterium. The pope said they are not in schism nor excommunicated.

I’m confused,…In 1988 Pope John Paul II named people, who were excommunicated:

adoremus.org/EcclesiaDei.html

Does that mean that only those mentioned in the letter were excommunicated, and therefore everyone else in the SSPX is not?