What if Prince William wanted to convert?

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GKC said:
Due to my wife’s fondness for the Royals, I actually knew that about The Right Honorable. A mere fluke.

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Oh dear, there I am, only 34 deaths away from being her ladyship’s subject, and I’d never even heard of her. I should be ashamed – and so should you, a grown man knowing stuff about Lady A!
 
Picky_Picky said:
Oh dear, there I am, only 34 deaths away from being her ladyship’s subject, and I’d never even heard of her. I should be ashamed – and so should you, a grown man knowing stuff about Lady A!
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Crave pardon. It was not her Ladyship of whom I had heard. It was of her father. And, of course, his Mum.

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You guys crack me up. 😃

But at least the OP got her answer to her question. 🙂

And a very detailed one at that. 👍
 
I am sure King Henry VIII would be happy to know not only is the Church of England still in existence, but also the monarchy.

So if they ever vote to get rid of the monarchy in England which many people would like ( I am not one of them) that might change things a little

The Church of England will be 500 years old.
I was surprised to hear there is an anglican vicar in Baghdad.

Anglicanism stretched far and wide.

And the king still creates controversy!
 
Marie5890 said:
You guys crack me up. 😃

But at least the OP got her answer to her question. 🙂

And a very detailed one at that. 👍
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I got a variety of answers that provided good discussion anyway.
History is not finished so we don’t know what the future holds!
 
7_Sorrows said:
I am sure King Henry VIII would be happy to know not only is the Church of England still in existence, but also the monarchy.

So if they ever vote to get rid of the monarchy in England which many people would like ( I am not one of them) that might change things a little

The Church of England will be 500 years old.
I was surprised to hear there is an anglican vicar in Baghdad.

Anglicanism stretched far and wide.

And the king still creates controversy!
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I believe opinion polls show a very strong majority in favour of the continuance of the monarchy in England, with republicanism largely confined to some middle class Lefties (oh dear, that sounds like me).

I’m sure, by the way, that you know we don’t consider the CofE to be 500 years old; more like 18 or 19 hundred years. But that is a matter of controversy of course
 
7_Sorrows said:
I am sure King Henry VIII would be happy to know not only is the Church of England still in existence, but also the monarchy.

So if they ever vote to get rid of the monarchy in England which many people would like ( I am not one of them) that might change things a little

The Church of England will be 500 years old.
I was surprised to hear there is an anglican vicar in Baghdad.

Anglicanism stretched far and wide.

And the king still creates controversy!
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Canon Andrew White, of St. George’s Church…

GKC
 
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I believe opinion polls show a very strong majority in favour of the continuance of the monarchy in England, with republicanism largely confined to some middle class Lefties (oh dear, that sounds like me).

I’m sure, by the way, that you know we don’t consider the CofE to be 500 years old; more like 18 or 19 hundred years. But that is a matter of controversy of course
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Oh I just noticed you are from the UK.
I am glad to hear a majority are in favor of the continuance of the monarchy.
When was Christianity first brought to your land by the way? Was it Augustine or someone else? If you know the answer- if you don’t please don’t go to the trouble of researching it.
The priest who performed the ceremony receiving me into the Catholic church was from Birmingham. He has since retired and I was happy to hear is back in Birmingham! England that is- not Alabama!
 
7_Sorrows said:
Oh I just noticed you are from the UK.
I am glad to hear a majority are in favor of the continuance of the monarchy.
When was Christianity first brought to your land by the way? Was it Augustine or someone else? If you know the answer- if you don’t please don’t go to the trouble of researching it.
The priest who performed the ceremony receiving me into the Catholic church was from Birmingham. He has since retired and I was happy to hear is back in Birmingham! England that is- not Alabama!
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You mean you didn’t recognise my London accent?

As to when Christianity arrived here, there is no specific record (the stuff about Joseph of Arimathea turning up at Glastonbury can be taken with considerable amounts of salt) but it was some time in the first two centuries. I suspect late in the first century, but there is no reason to take any notice of me. Certainly the Bishop of London and the Bishop of York were two of three bishops from Britain at the Council of Arles, which was of course (pause while I look it up) in the year 314.

And there were still bishops about when St Augustine of Canterbury arrived — part of his job description from the Pope was to bring the local bishops under his (and therefore the Pope’s) control. He was not altogether successful.

There is the lovely story from Bede (more salt please!) of the bishops asking a wise man for advice on whether to submit to Augustine, and he said that if when they entered the room Augustine showed humility by rising, they should submit to him. If he did not, they should not, When they entered the room Augustine remained seated.
 
GKC said:
Well, slightly longer career path than Kind Hearts and Coronets, but I’d keep an eye on Lady Amelia.

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I can see Sir Alec as the Duke of Kent but not, somehow, Dennis Price as the still-apparently-very-young Lady Amelia.
 
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You mean you didn’t recognise my London accent?

As to when Christianity arrived here, there is no specific record (the stuff about Joseph of Arimathea turning up at Glastonbury can be taken with considerable amounts of salt) but it was some time in the first two centuries. I suspect late in the first century, but there is no reason to take any notice of me. Certainly the Bishop of London and the Bishop of York were two of three bishops from Britain at the Council of Arles, which was of course (pause while I look it up) in the year 314.

And there were still bishops about when St Augustine of Canterbury arrived — part of his job description from the Pope was to bring the local bishops under his (and therefore the Pope’s) control. He was not altogether successful.

There is the lovely story from Bede (more salt please!) of the bishops asking a wise man for advice on whether to submit to Augustine, and he said that if when they entered the room Augustine showed humility by rising, they should submit to him. If he did not, they should not, When they entered the room Augustine remained seated.
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Agree to all as presented.

This is a question, hard to answer historically, that gets tossed around here oft, esp. with reference to the pious legends around St. Joseph of Arimathea, and Glastonbury, et al. Classical references, of dubious accuracy, can be found in Tertullian and Origen, suggesting a date in the 200s, and St. Alban, if he existed, is hard to date accurately.

The best clue, as you say, is the existence of the bishops, which shows, not only the Church presence in the Isles, but that it was organized into dioceses, by the time of Arles. The third British bishop there was he of Carleon, and three were at Rimini in 359, too impecunious it was said, to pay their own way, Nicea is an open question.

GKC
 
GKC said:
Agree to all as presented.

This is a question, hard to answer historically, that gets tossed around here oft, esp. with reference to the pious legends around St. Joseph of Arimathea, and Glastonbury, et al. Classical references, of dubious accuracy, can be found in Tertullian and Origen, suggesting a date in the 200s, and St. Alban, if he existed, is hard to date accurately.

The best clue, as you say, is the existence of the bishops, which shows, not only the Church presence in the Isles, but that it was organized into dioceses, by the time of Arles. The third British bishop there was he of Carleon, and three were at Rimini in 359, too impecunious it was said, to pay their own way, Nicea is an open question.

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I’m told Gildas suggests a date in the first half of the first century (I haven’t read him). That seems extraordinarily unlikely, and anyway Gildas was unpleasantly anti-English, and so patently doesn’t deserve to be believed.
 
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I’m told Gildas suggests a date in the first half of the first century (I haven’t read him). That seems extraordinarily unlikely, and anyway Gildas was unpleasantly anti-English, and so patently doesn’t deserve to be believed.
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“Meanwhile these islands, stiff with cold and frost, and in a
distant region of the world, remote from the visible sun, received
the beams of light, that is, the holy precepts of Christ, the true
Sun, showing to the whole world his splendour, not only from the
temporal firmament, but from the height of heaven, which surpasses
every thing temporal, at the latter part, as we know, of the reign
of Tiberius Caesar, by whom his religion was propagated without
impediment, and death threatened to those who interfered with its
professors”.

Thus GIldas. Which is the standard for those folks, who, following the legendarium of such as (classically) L. S. Lewis/ST. JOSEPH OF ARIMATHEA AT GLASTONBURY, or, (contemporary) R.C. Harvey/TO THE ISLES AFAR OFF, will take the mid-30s as the point at which the Faith came to the Isles (after the Feet, in Ancient Times). And, of course, many other far-reaching and unlikely things are supposed and adduced. I got books.

Reason I got books was my wife’s (bibliophile, to be sure) passing and past interest in the Matter of Britain. Which led, naturally, to Glastonbury and thorn bushes, and down weirder and weirder unhinged corridors of legend. Subject comes up here, from time to time.

GKC
 
GKC said:
“Meanwhile these islands, stiff with cold and frost, and in a
distant region of the world, remote from the visible sun, received
the beams of light, that is, the holy precepts of Christ, the true
Sun, showing to the whole world his splendour, not only from the
temporal firmament, but from the height of heaven, which surpasses
every thing temporal, at the latter part, as we know, of the reign
of Tiberius Caesar, by whom his religion was propagated without
impediment, and death threatened to those who interfered with its
professors”.

Thus GIldas. Which is the standard for those folks, who, following the legendarium of such as (classically) L. S. Lewis/ST. JOSEPH OF ARIMATHEA AT GLASTONBURY, or, (contemporary) R.C. Harvey/TO THE ISLES AFAR OFF, will take the mid-30s as the point at which the Faith came to the Isles (after the Feet, in Ancient Times). And, of course, many other far-reaching and unlikely things are supposed and adduced. I got books.

Reason I got books was my wife’s (bibliophile, to be sure) passing and past interest in the Matter of Britain. Which led, naturally, to Glastonbury and thorn bushes, and down weirder and weirder unhinged corridors of legend. Subject comes up here, from time to time.

GKC
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The thorny subject of Glastonbury, eh? Poor old place: how grand it was, and what a disneyland it is now. Harry 8 has some sins on his record, and one was the destruction of that library.

Thank you for the Gildas quote. He knew how to write a hellfire sermon, didn’t he?
 
GKC said:
Due to my wife’s fondness for the Royals, I actually knew that about The Right Honorable. A mere fluke.

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I have come to realize that none of your vast array of knowledge is “a mere fluke”. 😉
 
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