What if Prince William wanted to convert?

[GKC]

The thorny subject of Glastonbury, eh? Poor old place: how grand it was, and what a disneyland it is now. Harry 8 has some sins on his record, and one was the destruction of that library.

Thank you for the Gildas quote. He knew how to write a hellfire sermon, didn’t he?

Thorny is the least of what one is asked to accept. Running out, at the edges, to Anglo-Israelite types, and other stuff.

Hank blotted the copybook a few times, yes. Given my inclinations, this ranks high on the list, materially.

GKC

 

[GKC]

I have come to realize that none of your vast array of knowledge is “a mere fluke”.

Well… perhaps I know what I know more purposely than that, yes.

It’s often a fluke that something I know fits in a thread, though. Even if it takes some ingenuity to tack it on.

GKC

 

[7_Sorrows]

You mean you didn’t recognise my London accent?

As to when Christianity arrived here, there is no specific record (the stuff about Joseph of Arimathea turning up at Glastonbury can be taken with considerable amounts of salt) but it was some time in the first two centuries. I suspect late in the first century, but there is no reason to take any notice of me. Certainly the Bishop of London and the Bishop of York were two of three bishops from Britain at the Council of Arles, which was of course (pause while I look it up) in the year 314.

And there were still bishops about when St Augustine of Canterbury arrived — part of his job description from the Pope was to bring the local bishops under his (and therefore the Pope’s) control. He was not altogether successful.

There is the lovely story from Bede (more salt please!) of the bishops asking a wise man for advice on whether to submit to Augustine, and he said that if when they entered the room Augustine showed humility by rising, they should submit to him. If he did not, they should not, When they entered the room Augustine remained seated.

No, I did not catch the accent in your posts! Thanks for the history fact. England has a very interesting history.
I guess this is why many think the beginnings of the CoE go way back.

 

[Picky_Picky]

No, I did not catch the accent in your posts! Thanks for the history fact. England has a very interesting history.
I guess this is why many think the beginnings of the CoE go way back.

It’s a pleasure. One of my objectives in a thread like this is to get in ahead of GKC. Doesn’t happen very often. If it does, and if he then chimes in with an “I agree” I spend the rest of the day looking like the Cheshire Cat.

 

[7_Sorrows]

It’s a pleasure. One of my objectives in a thread like this is to get in ahead of GKC. Doesn’t happen very often. If it does, and if he then chimes in with an “I agree” I spend the rest of the day looking like the Cheshire Cat.

heh-heh!

 

[CaptFun]

ONCE He is King, He could appoint a Catholic the new Archbishop of Canterbury and bring the whole Church of England in under the fold. Then that Archbishop could decide upon which priests would be conditionally ordained so as to make any iffiness per apostolic succession go away. The Catholic Bishop of London and that man could decide how the Archdiocese might be administered between them.

THAT way the King simply becomes Catholic in a more subtle way. The Catholic Churches and the Church of England begin uniting at all levels. Old divergent theological points of conflict are resolved per the CCC and the Book of Common Prayer gets a new edition.

Then whatever behind the scenes groups that would have moved forward a Kingly abdication would be the rebels and be marginalized.

I’m just having a creative romp here … but it’s sort of fun.

Of course Guy Fawkes day would take a big hit. But hey … just burn somebody other than that or the Pope in effigy! Or no one.

I wonder if a Catholic King would clap everyone who disagreed with him in the tower or bring back public beheadings? Nah. :dts: I’d foresee no bigger “payback” for penance than meatless Fridays in Lent. (Or are the Anglicans already DOING that?)

 

[GKC]

ONCE He is King, He could appoint a Catholic the new Archbishop of Canterbury and bring the whole Church of England in under the fold. Then that Archbishop could decide upon which priests would be conditionally ordained so as to make any iffiness per apostolic succession go away. The Catholic Bishop of London and that man could decide how the Archdiocese might be administered between them.

THAT way the King simply becomes Catholic in a more subtle way. The Catholic Churches and the Church of England begin uniting at all levels. Old divergent theological points of conflict are resolved per the CCC and the Book of Common Prayer gets a new edition.

Then whatever behind the scenes groups that would have moved forward a Kingly abdication would be the rebels and be marginalized.

I’m just having a creative romp here … but it’s sort of fun.

Of course Guy Fawkes day would take a big hit. But hey … just burn somebody other than that or the Pope in effigy! Or no one.

I wonder if a Catholic King would clap everyone who disagreed with him in the tower or bring back public beheadings? Nah. :dts: I’d foresee no bigger “payback” for penance than meatless Fridays in Lent. (Or are the Anglicans already DOING that?)

As you say, merely a romp.

But I do meatless Fridays all year round.

GKC

 

[Novocastrian]

ONCE He is King, He could appoint a Catholic the new Archbishop of Canterbury and bring the whole Church of England in under the fold. Then that Archbishop could decide upon which priests would be conditionally ordained so as to make any iffiness per apostolic succession go away. The Catholic Bishop of London and that man could decide how the Archdiocese might be administered between them.

THAT way the King simply becomes Catholic in a more subtle way. The Catholic Churches and the Church of England begin uniting at all levels. Old divergent theological points of conflict are resolved per the CCC and the Book of Common Prayer gets a new edition.

Then whatever behind the scenes groups that would have moved forward a Kingly abdication would be the rebels and be marginalized.

I’m just having a creative romp here … but it’s sort of fun.

Of course Guy Fawkes day would take a big hit. But hey … just burn somebody other than that or the Pope in effigy! Or no one.

I wonder if a Catholic King would clap everyone who disagreed with him in the tower or bring back public beheadings? Nah. :dts: I’d foresee no bigger “payback” for penance than meatless Fridays in Lent. (Or are the Anglicans already DOING that?)

There are those of us who’d say that we already have a Catholic Archbishop of Canterbury

 

[Picky_Picky]

There are those of us who’d say that we already have a Catholic Archbishop of Canterbury

Assuming this putative William V leaves ++Sentamu alone, you should be all right in Newcastle, anyway.

 

[GKC]

It’s a pleasure. One of my objectives in a thread like this is to get in ahead of GKC. Doesn’t happen very often. If it does, and if he then chimes in with an “I agree” I spend the rest of the day looking like the Cheshire Cat.

I forgot to post this:

:blushing:

GKC

 

[Picky_Picky]

ONCE He is King, He could appoint a Catholic the new Archbishop of Canterbury and bring the whole Church of England in under the fold. Then that Archbishop could decide upon which priests would be conditionally ordained so as to make any iffiness per apostolic succession go away. The Catholic Bishop of London and that man could decide how the Archdiocese might be administered between them.

THAT way the King simply becomes Catholic in a more subtle way. The Catholic Churches and the Church of England begin uniting at all levels. Old divergent theological points of conflict are resolved per the CCC and the Book of Common Prayer gets a new edition.

Then whatever behind the scenes groups that would have moved forward a Kingly abdication would be the rebels and be marginalized.

I’m just having a creative romp here … but it’s sort of fun.

Of course Guy Fawkes day would take a big hit. But hey … just burn somebody other than that or the Pope in effigy! Or no one.

I wonder if a Catholic King would clap everyone who disagreed with him in the tower or bring back public beheadings? Nah. :dts: I’d foresee no bigger “payback” for penance than meatless Fridays in Lent. (Or are the Anglicans already DOING that?)

A jolly plan, but unfortunately the king must act on the advice of his prime minister, and in the matter of the appointment of bishops the prime minister recommends the candidate chosen by a commission made up of representatives of the bishops, other clergy, and laity of the church. Sorry. Plan B required.

 

[GKC]

A jolly plan, but unfortunately the king must act on the advice of his prime minister, and in the matter of the appointment of bishops the prime minister recommends the candidate chosen by a commission made up of representatives of the bishops, other clergy, and laity of the church. Sorry. Plan B required.

Or, romp, reconsidered.

GKC

 

[CaptFun]

As you say, merely a romp.

But I do meatless Fridays all year round.

GKC

Me too. Not much of a sacrifice though. I love fish. (With or without “chips”).

 

[GKC]

Me too. Not much of a sacrifice though. I love fish. (With or without “chips”).

I get rather less fish, and more veggies, grains and legumes.

GKC

 

[CaptFun]

A jolly plan, but unfortunately the king must act on the advice of his prime minister, and in the matter of the appointment of bishops the prime minister recommends the candidate chosen by a commission made up of representatives of the bishops, other clergy, and laity of the church. Sorry. Plan B required.

Oh man. And we JUST missed having a Catholic Prime Minister there too.

More dominoes need to fall now than when Hank was King.

I didn’t have the “guts” to romp in the other direction and wonder if we’ll ever have a Pope who will apologize for taking Katherine of Aragon’s part, grant a posthumous annulment, get England back in the fold … and leave the knotty details concerning the subsequent 6 wives and theological disagreements since then to historians.

On an Ecumenical note … I’ve always loved the hymn “Nearer My God to Thee …” I’ve never heard it sung in a Catholic mass - but perhaps it has been somewhere. Maybe it’s the lump in my throat I get thinking about the band on the Titanic playing it after giving up their spots on the lifeboats to the women and children (THAT was major league Christianity and a not SO passive martyrdom).

It is nice to see Christian Communions meeting in Christ … and I rejoice when I see us meeting together on earth too. Which will happen more quickly when we all keep our eyes on HIM.

To those Anglican, Episcopalian, Church of England (and really ALL people) who have joined in communion with the Catholic Church – WELCOME. To those on the way … May you find welcome.

PS: It’ll feel like home. There are a lot of English saints canonized in the Catholic Church.
If you’re English you probably have scores of Catholic ancestors (though you may not know their names). And as a bonus … 7 more exciting Old Testament books (the old Bigger Bible argument for Bible lovers).

 

[7_Sorrows]

Oh man. And we JUST missed having a Catholic Prime Minister there too.

More dominoes need to fall now than when Hank was King.

I didn’t have the “guts” to romp in the other direction and wonder if we’ll ever have a Pope who will apologize for taking Katherine of Aragon’s part, grant a posthumous annulment, get England back in the fold … and leave the knotty details concerning the subsequent 6 wives and theological disagreements since then to historians.

On an Ecumenical note … I’ve always loved the hymn “Nearer My God to Thee …” I’ve never heard it sung in a Catholic mass - but perhaps it has been somewhere. Maybe it’s the lump in my throat I get thinking about the band on the Titanic playing it after giving up their spots on the lifeboats to the women and children (THAT was major league Christianity and a not SO passive martyrdom).

It is nice to see Christian Communions meeting in Christ … and I rejoice when I see us meeting together on earth too. Which will happen more quickly when we all keep our eyes on HIM.

To those Anglican, Episcopalian, Church of England (and really ALL people) who have joined in communion with the Catholic Church – WELCOME. To those on the way … May you find welcome.

PS: It’ll feel like home. There are a lot of English saints canonized in the Catholic Church.
If you’re English you probably have scores of Catholic ancestors (though you may not know their names). And as a bonus … 7 more exciting Old Testament books (the old Bigger Bible argument for Bible lovers).

Hi! That is quite a romp in the other direction! I don’t know if I will live to see the day a Pope would ever apologize for taking the side of Katherine of Aragon. The ordinariates are a big step to anglicans coming back home again to the Catholic church and a reason to celebrate.

 

[Marie5890]

For those, like myself, who have been following the Ordinariates, here is a good article that gives a snap shot as to how well for some, and not so well, for others, that they are doing

catholicworldreport.com/Item/2961/the_uk_ordinariate_three_years_later_a_snapshot.aspx

 

[7_Sorrows]

For those, like myself, who have been following the Ordinariates, here is a good article that gives a snap shot as to how well for some, and not so well, for others, that they are doing

catholicworldreport.com/Item/2961/the_uk_ordinariate_three_years_later_a_snapshot.aspx

Between the anglicans and catholics it sounds like there are churches available. Thanks for the article. I think these people were courageous and determined enough to make the move to join the ordinariates and the catholic church that they will be patient and realize everything will not fall into place all at once.