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Roscoe_Turner
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I’m not using a strawman. I’m asking how you think you right to practice is being violated. People practice different Communion it doesn’t keep you from practicing Catholic Communion.
What if the government was to get out of the marriage business altogether?
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livingwordunity
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Nonsense. The Catholic Church doesn’t say that EVERYTHING has validity. We just had someone else arguing against us in another thread. And it turned out that they were only 15 years old. Are you old enough to even be talking with us about such things?
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Roscoe_Turner
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It doesn’t say children - it says “one flesh”Not to get graphic, but in the way you are talking about so can a man and an animal. But it’s not in the same way that a man and a woman can. Hint: The love between a man and a woman is so real that usually nine months later they name it.
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livingwordunity
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What says “one flesh”? What’s the context?
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Roscoe_Turner
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What says “one flesh”? What’s the context?
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aemcpa
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Nope. All they can do is take turns masturbating on each other.
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livingwordunity
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Here’s the non-religious reason for being against redefining marriage to include homosexuals acts of sodomy:
Although it’s easy for a study to be biased as in when it’s sponsored by the “gay” activists, there are ways to counter biases such as how I did with the following:
The intention of this post is to show fast facts and to do so using quotes from left-leaning authoritative sources so as not to be accused of having data that is skewed to the right. The quotes speak for themselves since they all say the same thing which is that actively “gay” and bisexual men are by far at highest risk for HIV/AIDS. This is news to those who want to teach homosexual behavior in schools as the “new normal” calling it “marriage”. Using these statistical facts from these authoritative sources who we can be sure are not biased against “gays”, we can raise people’s awareness of the high risks and dangers of living an active homosexual life.
Fast Facts about AIDS
“Gay and bisexual men are more severely affected by HIV than any other group in the United States .” - CDC
“Among all gay and bisexual men, blacks/African Americans bear the greatest disproportionate burden of HIV.” – CDC
“From 2008 to 2010, HIV infections among young black/African American gay and bisexual men increased 20%.” – CDC
“Fighting HIV among African Americans is not mutually exclusive with fighting HIV among gay and bisexual men. Efforts to reduce HIV among Blacks must confront the epidemic among Black gay and bisexual men as forcefully as existing efforts to confront the epidemic among other groups.” - Obama
“Roughly three-fourths of HIV/AIDS cases in the United States are among men, the majority of whom are gay and bisexual men.” - Obama
“Gay and bisexual men have comprised the largest proportion of the HIV epidemic in the United States since the first cases were reported in the 1980s, and that has not changed. They still comprise the greatest proportion of infections nationally.” - Obama
“CDC reports that HIV diagnoses among young gay men (ages 13-24) of all races and ethnicities rose between 2001 and 2006.” – Obama
Objection:
“But that’s not fact with AIDS/HIV worldwide where most of the cases are heterosexual.”
Answer :
That’s ignoring the proportions. There are more heterosexuals with AIDS because there are more heterosexuals. Homosexuals only make up about 2% of the population. One of the primary ways AIDS got into the heterosexual population is because of bisexual men. According to the CDC and President Obama…
“Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV. In 2010, MSM accounted for 63% of all new HIV infections” – CDC
“Given the starkness and the enduring nature of the disparate impact on gay and bisexual men, it is important to significantly reprioritize resources and attention on this community. The United States cannot reduce the number of HIV infections nationally without better addressing HIV among gay and bisexual men…Even though gay and bisexual men comprise only two percent of the U.S. population (4 percent of men)” – Obama (bold emphasis given in Obama’s 2010 Whitehouse report)
“Disparities in HIV infection also exist between gay and bisexual men and heterosexual populations. Recently, the CDC announced that gay and bisexual men in the United States are 44 to 86 times more likely to become infected with HIV than heterosexual men, and 40 to 77 times more likely to become infected than women.” – Obama
“Gay and bisexual men comprise the majority of people with HIV who have died in the United States.” - Obama
“1 in 5 Gay/Bi Men Have HIV, Nearly Half Don’t Know” - WebMD
Objection: “But aren’t they were born that way?”
Answer: There’s no such thing as a “gay gene”.
Unlike being able to know what race a baby is, there’s no way to look at a room full of babies and say that any of them are “gay”. Also, people who are born “intersex” are extremely rare and are typically asexual. So they should not even be in the same category as homosexual.
Except for the possibility of a hormonal imbalance, studies suggest it’s more likely caused by social factors such as a sexual or emotional trauma that influenced them to believe they are homosexual. For example, a baby gets molested, and no one in the family ever finds out. Later, the kid starts to think he’s “gay” but doesn’t make the connection to this repressed memory. Most people will admit that they can’t remember anything earlier than 2 or 3 years old.
“In research with 942 nonclinical adult participants, gay men and lesbian women reported a significantly higher rate of childhood molestation than did heterosexual men and women. Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. Twenty-two percent of lesbian women in contrast to 1% of heterosexual women reported homosexual molestation. This research is apparently the first survey that has reported substantial homosexual molestation of girls. Suggestions for future research were offered.” - California School of Professional Psychology
Sources:
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
President Obama’s National HIV/AIDS Strategy for the the the United States 2010 White House Report
WebMD
California School of Professional Psychology
P.S. I care about these facts because I don’t want “gays” to continue to get HIV/AIDS.
Although it’s easy for a study to be biased as in when it’s sponsored by the “gay” activists, there are ways to counter biases such as how I did with the following:
The intention of this post is to show fast facts and to do so using quotes from left-leaning authoritative sources so as not to be accused of having data that is skewed to the right. The quotes speak for themselves since they all say the same thing which is that actively “gay” and bisexual men are by far at highest risk for HIV/AIDS. This is news to those who want to teach homosexual behavior in schools as the “new normal” calling it “marriage”. Using these statistical facts from these authoritative sources who we can be sure are not biased against “gays”, we can raise people’s awareness of the high risks and dangers of living an active homosexual life.
Fast Facts about AIDS
“Gay and bisexual men are more severely affected by HIV than any other group in the United States .” - CDC
“Among all gay and bisexual men, blacks/African Americans bear the greatest disproportionate burden of HIV.” – CDC
“From 2008 to 2010, HIV infections among young black/African American gay and bisexual men increased 20%.” – CDC
“Fighting HIV among African Americans is not mutually exclusive with fighting HIV among gay and bisexual men. Efforts to reduce HIV among Blacks must confront the epidemic among Black gay and bisexual men as forcefully as existing efforts to confront the epidemic among other groups.” - Obama
“Roughly three-fourths of HIV/AIDS cases in the United States are among men, the majority of whom are gay and bisexual men.” - Obama
“Gay and bisexual men have comprised the largest proportion of the HIV epidemic in the United States since the first cases were reported in the 1980s, and that has not changed. They still comprise the greatest proportion of infections nationally.” - Obama
“CDC reports that HIV diagnoses among young gay men (ages 13-24) of all races and ethnicities rose between 2001 and 2006.” – Obama
Objection:
“But that’s not fact with AIDS/HIV worldwide where most of the cases are heterosexual.”
Answer :
That’s ignoring the proportions. There are more heterosexuals with AIDS because there are more heterosexuals. Homosexuals only make up about 2% of the population. One of the primary ways AIDS got into the heterosexual population is because of bisexual men. According to the CDC and President Obama…
“Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV. In 2010, MSM accounted for 63% of all new HIV infections” – CDC
“Given the starkness and the enduring nature of the disparate impact on gay and bisexual men, it is important to significantly reprioritize resources and attention on this community. The United States cannot reduce the number of HIV infections nationally without better addressing HIV among gay and bisexual men…Even though gay and bisexual men comprise only two percent of the U.S. population (4 percent of men)” – Obama (bold emphasis given in Obama’s 2010 Whitehouse report)
“Disparities in HIV infection also exist between gay and bisexual men and heterosexual populations. Recently, the CDC announced that gay and bisexual men in the United States are 44 to 86 times more likely to become infected with HIV than heterosexual men, and 40 to 77 times more likely to become infected than women.” – Obama
“Gay and bisexual men comprise the majority of people with HIV who have died in the United States.” - Obama
“1 in 5 Gay/Bi Men Have HIV, Nearly Half Don’t Know” - WebMD
Objection: “But aren’t they were born that way?”
Answer: There’s no such thing as a “gay gene”.
Unlike being able to know what race a baby is, there’s no way to look at a room full of babies and say that any of them are “gay”. Also, people who are born “intersex” are extremely rare and are typically asexual. So they should not even be in the same category as homosexual.
Except for the possibility of a hormonal imbalance, studies suggest it’s more likely caused by social factors such as a sexual or emotional trauma that influenced them to believe they are homosexual. For example, a baby gets molested, and no one in the family ever finds out. Later, the kid starts to think he’s “gay” but doesn’t make the connection to this repressed memory. Most people will admit that they can’t remember anything earlier than 2 or 3 years old.
“In research with 942 nonclinical adult participants, gay men and lesbian women reported a significantly higher rate of childhood molestation than did heterosexual men and women. Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. Twenty-two percent of lesbian women in contrast to 1% of heterosexual women reported homosexual molestation. This research is apparently the first survey that has reported substantial homosexual molestation of girls. Suggestions for future research were offered.” - California School of Professional Psychology
Sources:
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
President Obama’s National HIV/AIDS Strategy for the the the United States 2010 White House Report
WebMD
California School of Professional Psychology
P.S. I care about these facts because I don’t want “gays” to continue to get HIV/AIDS.
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Roscoe_Turner
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I am very hesitant to adress this but, penetration can be part of homosexual sex.
I don’t really think this is relavant and would not like to discuss it further.
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aemcpa
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Fine, then they can take turns masturbating into each other.
It is certainly relevant. It is impossible for two people of the same sex to engage in sexual intercourse, and sexual intercourse is called “the marital act” with good reason.
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livingwordunity
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An anus isn’t a sex organ and therefore is not the same thing as what a woman has.
P.S. Please read post #67 if you care about homosexuals and HIV/AIDS.
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Roscoe_Turner
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Condoms prevent AIDS. Also entering a monogamous marriage AIDS free ensures that the married will stay AIDS free.Here’s the non-religious reason for being against redefining marriage to include homosexuals acts of sodomy:
P.S. I care about these facts because I don’t want “gays” to continue to get HIV/AIDS.
The studies isn’t named so can’t be sure about the results.
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aemcpa
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Weren’t you Catholic when this thread began?
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Roscoe_Turner
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That is your definition. It isn’t shared across the board. For example - Catholic Communion vs Protestant Communion.
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Roscoe_Turner
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I still am. I have a lot of crisis of faith. My nature is to question.
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livingwordunity
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No way you can refute the statistics in post #67. Thanks!
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livingwordunity
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How old are you?
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aemcpa
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I noticed that your header changed is all.
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Roscoe_Turner
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Im not refuting them. I’m saying Gay Marriage is a solution. If Homosexuals save themselves for marriage, they will be AIDS free. If they stay monogamous they wil stay that way.No way you can refute the statistics in post #67. Thanks!
Molestation being higher in homosexual men doesn’t show causation on them being Homosexual.
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Roscoe_Turner
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I don’t think I ever put on in my header.
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stewstew03
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Actually, no. Communion in a presbyterian church is not “valid.”
What, exactly, is your point?
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