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misstherese
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When we have not married yet and are in the house we listen to our parents. That’s correct.
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Walking_Home
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God calls/gave the vocation to subdue the earth to both men and women as stewards of God – not just to the men. The responsibility is entrusted to both men and women.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
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misstherese
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Yep, you’re right. Both are called to have reign over the earth. But man has a tier higher in authority than women do. Both men and women have authority over animals.
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Duesenberg
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I don’t think that girls necessarily need a “role” simply because boys/men do with regard to serving at the altar. That said I do recall that one bishop opened the ministry of sacristan to girls after he abolished female altar servers.
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Walking_Home
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Spin it as you will – but the “ideology” that “man has the higher authority” – is the sin of pride/the disorder against God who created women in His image and likeness.
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misstherese
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Spin it as you will - but that is not pride. Pride is an elevation of self worth. Authority does not equal that.
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Saxum
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Serving at the altar is not “carrying candles and fetching things.” A man or boy serves at the altar to conform himself to Christ and unite themselves to his sacrifice. Let us never forget that a priest is alter Christus - another Christ. Males serve because they want to become like Christ. Since Christ is a man, women cannot become like Christ like men can. Women are called to be handmaids of the Lord like the Blessed Mother.
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Duesenberg
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Always sad to see someone throw the “sexist” bomb. How utterly misplaced.
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Saxum
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It is you who are spinning an ideology. Miss is actually expressing Biblical truth. See 1 Corinthians 11:3 below:
3 But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.
It clearly says the head of a woman is her husband. This is the natural order of things. And in my book, God’s word trumps feminist ideology.
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Walking_Home
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Pride blinds one to the truth – and some women “co-operate” in affirming the sin of pride/one sex having “dominion/authority” over the other.
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Walking_Home
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Every man and woman is part of the Bride – whose head is Christ. In marriage the domestic church is still the Bride – whose head is Christ. There is one head in a marriage - Christ.
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Agreed. My family of 6 were all converts. Latin wouldn’t have been Too big of an issue for me personally but I know that it would have for my husband. I know that he wouldn’t have been on board with converting and having he and all of our kids unable to understand anything. I feel like the EF has its place and is great for those that prefer it, but it would have been a stumbling block to us converting if it were the only option. We were Episcopalian so our services were already similar to the OF, but not identical. There is more to the Catholic mass.
As for female altar servers, I see no problem with them. At my parish at least, it doesn’t seem to be keeping the boys from signing up as well. I would be thrilled if my younger son and daughter wanted to do it, I’m hoping that they eventually will.
As for female altar servers, I see no problem with them. At my parish at least, it doesn’t seem to be keeping the boys from signing up as well. I would be thrilled if my younger son and daughter wanted to do it, I’m hoping that they eventually will.
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Saxum
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You’re misconstruing the clear words of St. Paul to fit your ideology. The quotation I provided from Corinthians clearly describes a natural hierarchy: Christ is the head of man, husband is head of wife.
The Bible clearly prescribes a hierarchical order of social relations. One can believe the Bible or believe the feminists. I choose God’s word over the world.
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She’s affirming reality. I’ve NEVER met a couple that was completely egalitarian. One partner always dominates the other. From my vantage, I see more women play the dominant role. But the natural order is for the man to be the guardian and protector of his household. I’m an ardent supporter of the patriarchy
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If girls were prohibited from serving, it wouldn’t be (and shouldn’t be) because they ontologically can’t serve (false) or because of any supposed, false inferiority, but rather because an all male ministry better fosters vocations, assuming that’s true.
Women should definitely hold equal leadership roles within a parish, on the parish council and in other ministries.
Women should definitely hold equal leadership roles within a parish, on the parish council and in other ministries.
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Walking_Home
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Walking_Home:
You’re misconstruing the clear words of St. Paul to fit your ideology. The quotation I provided from Corinthians clearly describes a natural hierarchy: Christ is the head of man, husband is head of wife.
The Bible clearly prescribes a hierarchical order of social relations. One can believe the Bible or believe the feminists. I choose God’s word over the world.
A marriage in the Lord – there is no one sided subjection(authority)-- of the husband over the wife… The subjection is mutual – in reverence to Christ (the Head).
The grace of the sacrament of Matrimony
1642 Christ is the source of this grace. "Just as of old God encountered his people with a covenant of love and fidelity, so our Savior, the spouse of the Church, now encounters Christian spouses through the sacrament of Matrimony.“149 Christ dwells with them, gives them the strength to take up their crosses and so follow him, to rise again after they have fallen, to forgive one another, to bear one another’s burdens, **to "be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ,”**150 and to love one another with supernatural, tender, and fruitful love. In the joys of their love and family life he gives them here on earth a foretaste of the wedding feast of the Lamb:
How can I ever express the happiness of a marriage joined by the Church, strengthened by an offering, sealed by a blessing, announced by angels, and ratified by the Father? . . . How wonderful the bond between two believers, now one in hope, one in desire, one in discipline, one in the same service! They are both children of one Father and servants of the same Master, undivided in spirit and flesh, truly two in one flesh. Where the flesh is one, one also is the spirit.151
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Duesenberg
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Not simply because they are women though.
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Saxum
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The leader of a parish is the priest.
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misstherese
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Marriage is when two become one in spirit. That does not mean they stop being themselves, their own person. Their personhood is united to their spouse.
Unity also calls for smooth hierarchy. We can see that in the Church- which is a hierarchy, and runs rather smoothly when there is a head.
Catholic Answers did an article on this that you can read. Wives Be Subject to Your Husbands | Catholic Answers
Unity also calls for smooth hierarchy. We can see that in the Church- which is a hierarchy, and runs rather smoothly when there is a head.
Catholic Answers did an article on this that you can read. Wives Be Subject to Your Husbands | Catholic Answers
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Wesrock
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I mean lay positions, obviously. Parish council, director of education, other ministries that lay people lead.Wesrock:
The leader of a parish is the priest.
I can see two schools of thought on this. Within reason (obviously you don’t want the parish council staffed by idiots, men or women), one might argue for maintaining a loose quota on the basis that making sure that both men and women are represented leads to a more beneficial and efficient council for the parish, even if all of the otherwise most individually qualified candidates were men (assuming such a hypothetical situation ever resulted, not presuming it would be the case). And vice versa, of course, you’d want men represented on some level even if all of the individually most qualified candidates were women.Wesrock:
Not simply because they are women though.
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