What if there is only one Christian Church.

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Kitty Chan:
Now I have to say there is only one church cause all the rest are wrong? Doenst anyone know how much christians NOT AGREEING affects the un saved. Not the ones who may be baptist the ones who dont know God at all. I find it the #1excuse is that Gee the churches cant even agree on who or what is right, so what am I to believe??

I hate the fact that church choice is a stumbling block. And this as you described yea though it may be what happened, Still does not erase the fact its another set of confusion for one to find God. In a ever increasing confused world.

The church is supposed to be ALL of us and probably some suprises we dont expect. The church is bigger than catholics, baptists, lutherans, pentacostals, charasmatics etc. God sees our hearts, and knows whether we see Him.
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And you have just revealed a truth about why Christ himself prayed for unity of believers, his Church, in the Gospel of John, chapter 17. He told us that the world would not believe that He sent us unless we were united as One, even as He and the Father were One. So, that begs the question, why did people split up the Church, did their reasons justify their actions which caused an escalating disunity that has lasted all these centuries, and were they in the will of God in doing so as they claim? The Scriptures themselves tell us the answer is no.

So the blame cannot be laid at the door of the Catholic Church for the stumbling block of disunity. The popes of our lifetime have continually asked that all Christians should join us in praying for, and working for, the return of a unified Christendom, ultimately the only way to win the world to Christ.
 
Jeanette L:
And you have just revealed a truth about why Christ himself prayed for unity of believers, his Church, in the Gospel of John, chapter 17. He told us that the world would not believe that He sent us unless we were united as One, even as He and the Father were One. So, that begs the question, why did people split up the Church, did their reasons justify their actions which caused an escalating disunity that has lasted all these centuries, and were they in the will of God in doing so as they claim? The Scriptures themselves tell us the answer is no.

So the blame cannot be laid at the door of the Catholic Church for the stumbling block of disunity. The popes of our lifetime have continually asked that all Christians should join us in praying for, and working for, the return of a unified Christendom, ultimately the only way to win the world to Christ.
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Well, this truth has been “on my heart” for quite a while, I know who put it there, I knew it to be true, and thank you now I know where its written.

Just to be clear I did say church choice, I was not laying this at the catholic churches doorstep. I include a non believer having to pick, its harder than we know. This separation has not helped thats easy to see. I have heard the popes as you say, I have also heard non catholics say the same thing.

I know we are all closer than we know, the events that happened were from those before but we bear the scars. Isnt it something about the sins of the fathers pass to the generations. Its like having as they say a disfunctional family. But then again we are human and we do that best.

Im sure God knows what Hes doing and He will put this on hearts and one day this will come true we can be sure of that. Perhaps it starts a few hearts at a time. 🙂
 
Kitty Chan:
Im sure God knows what Hes doing and He will put this on hearts and one day this will come true we can be sure of that. Perhaps it starts a few hearts at a time. 🙂
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You are right again! A few hearts at a time, and over time it snowballs, and someday unity will happen! Hang in there and keep the Faith!

God Bless,
Jeanette
 
in my country we are CHRISTIANS…whether Catholic, Orthodox or Protestants (very rare)…but we never ask what “denomination” you follow…i dont even know if my friends are Catholic or Orthodox or Chaldean or whatever…we are all Lord Jesus’ followers. ❤️

i hate these distinctions :mad:
always praying for unity :gopray2:
 
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neweyes:
The “church” is a body of believers and followers of Jesus Christ. I am not Catholic, but I am a member of the Body.

When one part of the body is under attack, how can the rest of the body not flinch?
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I flinch that you have settled for a pale shadow of the truth.
 
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inJESUS:
in my country we are CHRISTIANS…whether Catholic, Orthodox or Protestants (very rare)…but we never ask what “denomination” you follow…i dont even know if my friends are Catholic or Orthodox or Chaldean or whatever…we are all Lord Jesus’ followers. ❤️

i hate these distinctions :mad:
always praying for unity :gopray2:
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I agree, what country are you from?
 
To reply to the original question I believe that aslong as the men of the reformation felt that they were led by the Holy Spirit to break away from Rome then it’s not right for us to call that sinfull. If they did it for there own selfish gain thats another matter. I know that many took Luther’s lead and used it for self gain and promotion, but after reading the writings of the early reformers I’m convinced they felt led of the Spirit and prayed very hard over God’s Word. When a follower of Jesus see’s things in a Church that go against the very God breathed inspired scripture he has no other choice but to take a stand. I believe Luther said it best when he said, “Here I stand, I can do no other, God help me”. I also believe that we still must consider Catholics as brothers in Christ despite our differances. It’s wrong to say you cant be a true Christian if your a RC. I’ve heard allot of people say that and it makes me sad to hear it as I’ve met many true believers who were Roman Catholic. Anyways thats how I view things after several years of praying and reading over the matter.
 
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inJESUS:
in my country we are CHRISTIANS…whether Catholic, Orthodox or Protestants (very rare)…but we never ask what “denomination” you follow…
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Really?..what country is that? It is strange to know that.
 
I thought this was already very clear. The Catholic Church is the one true Church. Period.

If it isn’t, what the heck are we all doing here?

The Catholic Church is the only Church that can trace it’s Popes straight back to Peter. Who as we all know was given the authority by Jesus. There. Done.
 
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renton:
To reply to the original question I believe that aslong as the men of the reformation felt that they were led by the Holy Spirit to break away from Rome then it’s not right for us to call that sinfull.
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So is it not sinful for women to have abortions when they *feel * as though there’s nothing wrong with it?
 
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renton:
To reply to the original question I believe that aslong as the men of the reformation felt that they were led by the Holy Spirit to break away from Rome then it’s not right for us to call that sinfull. If they did it for there own selfish gain thats another matter. I know that many took Luther’s lead and used it for self gain and promotion, but after reading the writings of the early reformers I’m convinced they felt led of the Spirit and prayed very hard over God’s Word. When a follower of Jesus see’s things in a Church that go against the very God breathed inspired scripture he has no other choice but to take a stand. I believe Luther said it best when he said, “Here I stand, I can do no other, God help me”. I also believe that we still must consider Catholics as brothers in Christ despite our differances. It’s wrong to say you cant be a true Christian if your a RC. I’ve heard allot of people say that and it makes me sad to hear it as I’ve met many true believers who were Roman Catholic. Anyways thats how I view things after several years of praying and reading over the matter.
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You said that’s the conclusion you can to after several years of praying and reading over the matter. The problem with that is you have to ignore 2000 years of teachings and traditions to come to such a contrary opinion. You have to turn your back fon the One Through Church that Jesus himself founded. Do you really think that Jesus left something as important as our salvation for us all the figure out for ourselves?

By the way I suspect you don’t realize how condescending your statement about how Roman Catholics can indeed be Christians is.
 
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renton:
I also believe that we still must consider Catholics as brothers in Christ despite our differances. It’s wrong to say you cant be a true Christian if your a RC. I’ve heard allot of people say that and it makes me sad to hear it as I’ve met many true believers who were Roman Catholic. Anyways thats how I view things after several years of praying and reading over the matter.
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What gives you the authority to determine a “true believer”? I suggest that you keep reading. This time go back more than 500 years. 👍
 
In the first three hundred years of Christianity no bishop of anywhere ever claimed to have supremacy or authority over other bishops or their churches.

forever Baptist
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If there is only one church that we can be saved through than why do thousands of people become christians in isolated parts of the world where there’s no priests to guide them? The Word of God is quicker than any two edged sword and will convict anyone who sincerly reads it of there need of a saviour, Jesus Christ. I also dont think a person who was sincere in there prayer and truly believes in God’s law would say that it’s ok to have an abortion. The Bible is pretty clear that it’s wrong to take an innocent life. But I can see your point in that there is a place for the teachings of the church over the past two thousand years to guide people so they dont become led astray like so many cults have. But to say you need the church to forgive your sins, well that’s what Jesus does 🙂 .
And sorry for sounding condescending by my remark about how Catholics can be saved too. I was meaning it does not matter what church or demonination you are, were all covered by the same blood that forgives our sins.
 
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allischalmers:
In the first three hundred years of Christianity no bishop of anywhere ever claimed to have supremacy or authority over other bishops or their churches.

forever Baptist
allischalmers
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That is simply false. We can argue over the kind of authority claimed by Rome and other important sees. But that some kind of authority was claimed is clear. I don’t think it was direct jurisdictional authority.

Edwin
 
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renton:
To reply to the original question I believe that aslong as the men of the reformation felt that they were led by the Holy Spirit to break away from Rome then it’s not right for us to call that sinfull.
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Unfortunately, people can think the Spirit is calling them to do something that is in fact sinful.
When a follower of Jesus see’s things in a Church that go against the very God breathed inspired scripture he has no other choice but to take a stand. I believe Luther said it best when he said, “Here I stand, I can do no other, God help me”.
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Well, he probably didn’t say that. But that’s a side note. The question is whether true renewal might have been better furthered if Luther had been less willing to assume that his interpretations of Scripture were of divine origin.

On the other hand, my challenge to Catholics is this: was Luther a heretic (not just a schismatic, a heretic)? Did he deny fundamental Christian teachings? I don’t think he did. So I don’t think the guilt of schism lies on only one side, though I’m willing to grant that Protestants bear more of it. But insofar as Rome was too quick to condemn as heresy any ideas that threatened its power, and insofar as the Council of Trent rejected the more conciliatory approach of people like Contarini and Pole in favor of the hardline approach championed by folks like Carafa, Rome was also, in a sense, guilty of schism.

Edwin
 
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allischalmers:
In the first three hundred years of Christianity no bishop of anywhere ever claimed to have supremacy or authority over other bishops or their churches.

forever Baptist
allischalmers
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Not true, as stated above, but I think the reason you don’t see it that much is that there were not the huge differences being argued about publicly yet. Groups of people don’t tend to create a heirarchy until they need one.
 
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JSmitty2005:
What gives you the authority to determine a “true believer”? I suggest that you keep reading. This time go back more than 500 years. 👍
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you did get renton was defending catholics he knows, right??
 
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JSmitty2005:
So is it not sinful for women to have abortions when they *feel * as though there’s nothing wrong with it?
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Ive not heard women say they felt lead by the Holy Sprit for a abortion. But then again.

But I dont think the subjects comparable to Luther separating from the catholic church to say he felt he wanted to. No he apparentely felt led to.
 
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