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Abbadon
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I hear this question asked of many athiests and agnostics. So I’m intrested to hear your reposonse the the question.
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ASimpleSinner
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If I am wrong and the athiests are right (boy that is a stretch to even attempt to imagine such foolishness!) than I will leave behind a legacy of fair dealing, honesty, and efforts made for the advancement of others. I will die knowing that in the years of my Catholic praxis, I will not have sexually exploited anyone, used drugs which were provided by folks involved in narco-terrorism, driven drunk, dishornored my family, cheated anyone… I will have caused no harm, helped somewhat.
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Abbadon
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Errrrm i did not say and the atheists were right, sorry for the assumption that i placed there.If I am wrong and the athiests are right (boy that is a stretch to even attempt to imagine such foolishness!) than I will leave behind a legacy of fair dealing, honesty, and efforts made for the advancement of others. I will die knowing that in the years of my Catholic praxis, I will not have sexually exploited anyone, used drugs which were provided by folks involved in narco-terrorism, driven drunk, dishornored my family, cheated anyone… I will have caused no harm, helped somewhat.
The question is merely what if your wrong?
boy that is a stretch to even attempt to imagine such foolishness!
- think the muslims and hindus and bhuddist would say the same thing about you…
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ASimpleSinner
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What are you asking? If I am wrong about being a Catholic and the value of it my post stands. What are you wanting to know otherwise?Errrrm i did not say and the atheists were right, sorry for the assumption that i placed there.
The question is merely what if your wrong?
Poor things. I bet they do. (never mind that you plucked that quote out of context!)
- think the muslims and hindus and bhuddist would say the same thing about you…
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Abbadon
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no nothing it’s fine… I was just correcting the assumption incase other posters also assume that the only alternative to Jesus not bieng your personal lord and saviour is to assume that there is no…What are you asking? If I am wrong about being a Catholic and the value of it my post stands. What are you wanting to know otherwise?
Poor things. I bet they do. (never mind that you plucked that quote out of context!)
I actually should have left it as blank thinking about it, let people assume what they would assume. Damnit to late…
I guess it also comes down to If your wrong who is then right? Is it the general cosensus that the next acceptable “correct” view point is the athiestic one?
Why can the odin myth not be correct or perhaps the aztecs were right?
Well actually that is what they would say about you its not really out of context because, well that is what they would say about your idea…
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joseph_virgen
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such a simple query, what if you’re wrong? sometimes i have to look up to heaven and smile. the fallen one loves to use such innocent tactics. a simple phrase that would bring some degree of doubt, no matter how slight, unto your being.
what if you’re wrong? feed it, care for it, watch it grow, and it will ultimately destroy you from the inside out.
what if you’re wrong? take the thorn out. stand fast, look people in their eyes and proclaim the good news. that, is what we do.
what if you’re wrong? feed it, care for it, watch it grow, and it will ultimately destroy you from the inside out.
what if you’re wrong? take the thorn out. stand fast, look people in their eyes and proclaim the good news. that, is what we do.
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crowonsnow
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All the atheists I know have been doing the same things their entire lives.If I am wrong and the athiests are right (boy that is a stretch to even attempt to imagine such foolishness!) than I will leave behind a legacy of fair dealing, honesty, and efforts made for the advancement of others. I will die knowing that in the years of my Catholic praxis, I will not have sexually exploited anyone, used drugs which were provided by folks involved in narco-terrorism, driven drunk, dishornored my family, cheated anyone… I will have caused no harm, helped somewhat.
So keep up the good work. What people really believe and value shows in what they do, not what they don’t do.
And don’t forget to thank your ancestors.
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CapIV
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“what if you are wrong” isn’t really an argument.
Next time you are in math class and your teacher tells you that the Pythagorean theorem is A squared+B squared=C squared, raise your hand and ask him “what if you are wrong?”
It’s a stupid question. As humans, the best we have is our ability to reason. This is all we should go by.
Next time you are in math class and your teacher tells you that the Pythagorean theorem is A squared+B squared=C squared, raise your hand and ask him “what if you are wrong?”
It’s a stupid question. As humans, the best we have is our ability to reason. This is all we should go by.
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JenniferMoon
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If I’m wrong and the atheists are right, I won’t know about it, now will I?
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ASimpleSinner
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You know some amazingly righteous and enlighted athiests if all of them do all those things all the time.All the atheists I know have been doing the same things their entire lives.
So keep up the good work. What people really believe and value shows in what they do, not what they don’t do.
And don’t forget to thank your ancestors.
I don’t just “thank ancestors” - I am Catholic, I pray for the repose of their souls.
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Abbadon
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It’s not an argument its just a question. It was asked of richard dawkins at a conference and again, and also by the rational response squad on the way of the master debate…“what if you are wrong” isn’t really an argument.
Next time you are in math class and your teacher tells you that the Pythagorean theorem is A squared+B squared=C squared, raise your hand and ask him “what if you are wrong?”
It’s a stupid question. As humans, the best we have is our ability to reason. This is all we should go by.
Well i wouldn’t be asking him that becuase something like that is not a personal question. Because it’s straight forward, in fact grade 9 we had to figure out how to prove pythagoras and prove sin and cos rules for triangles…
A position on cloning is it moral you could be wrong, homosexual rights, segragation. There are personal questions like that of relegion, that are different than say pythagoras…
Even say for example the atomic model what if your wrong, well we could be, do you propose a better theory? obvioulsy i would not, but we could still be wrong.
Math is completely different to relegion. Also i will never see a math class again, and how i miss it so, math is so wonderfull because there are clearly right and clearly wrong (99.9 reccuring% of the time).
Not like physics or bilogy or chemistry or morality or politics or ****ing practically anything…
Wow i just realised you used like THE only subject in which the statment what if your wrong is a stupid question… Geography? touch and go… I’m trying to think of other absolutes beside math or at least as absolute as math…
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Abbadon
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I love C.S Lewis and can i just say that is a mad quoteIf I’m wrong and the atheists are right, I won’t know about it, now will I?
“You have no soul… You are a soul. You have a body.”
Love it…
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Contarini
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What about the “Odin myth” do you take to be incompatible with Christianity? Odin is simply a superhuman being who is very wise and fights evil giants. We don’t worship him, but there’s no reason to think that such a being might not exist. Admittedly I’m taking your infelicitous phrase in a very narrow way–Norse cosmology as a whole is incompatible with Christianity, but you didn’t say that. You specifically mentioned Odin, a being who could well have all the attributes ascribed to him by his worshippers without being anything other than one more creation of the True God.Why can the odin myth not be correct
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crowonsnow
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No more or less righteous than yourself.You know some amazingly righteous and enlighted athiests if all of them do all those things all the time.
I don’t just “thank ancestors” - I am Catholic, I pray for the repose of their souls.
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crowonsnow
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The beauty of the question is that it paints a false atheist/theist dichotomy. Most people on the planet, for example, are atheist when it comes to the Jesus Christ god.What about the “Odin myth” do you take to be incompatible with Christianity? Odin is simply a superhuman being who is very wise and fights evil giants. We don’t worship him, but there’s no reason to think that such a being might not exist. Admittedly I’m taking your infelicitous phrase in a very narrow way–Norse cosmology as a whole is incompatible with Christianity, but you didn’t say that. You specifically mentioned Odin, a being who could well have all the attributes ascribed to him by his worshippers without being anything other than one more creation of the True God.
I don’t think there’s a god that a majority of folks agree on.
So is it safe to say that the majority of people are going to be wrong?
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BlaineTog
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If I’m wrong? Well, I suppose I’ll be mortified, but hopefully whoever’s in charge won’t be all that angry at me for failing a theology test.
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ASimpleSinner
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Wow, pithy!No more or less righteous than yourself.
You do understand that righteous and self righteous are not the same, right?
If I can achieve righteousness and virtue in the practice of the Catholic faith - which calls me to it - I am doing well.
If you know a lot of athiests who have formulated life principles that are roughly commensurate to the teachings of the Catholic faith above and beyond the “do no harm” principle (and who are in turn pro life and respect the imeratives of the natural law that demonstrate committed pair bonding and monogomy is superior for longevity and health)…
Well you know some righteous athiests. And I am thinking they are probably more “agnostic” than anything…
You are very blessed either way.
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Contarini
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This is a simplistic caricature of theism. There isn’t a “Jesus Christ” god about which to be atheistic. By definition all monotheists are talking about the same God. We aren’t atheistic about each other’s “gods,” because God is not (just) a god. Until atheists figure that out you will be unable even to mount a reasonable critique of monotheism.The beauty of the question is that it paints a false atheist/theist dichotomy. Most people on the planet, for example, are atheist when it comes to the Jesus Christ god.
I don’t think there’s a god that a majority of folks agree on.
That’s my point. Odin is a god. Of course there are gods. The Bible talks about them. They are created by God and we do not worship them–that’s what makes us different from polytheists.
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mschrank
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I think reality requires us to place our bets. I suppose most Atheist/Agnostics would say what Bertrand Russell told God when he met Him. “Sorry sir, you seem to actually exist. My apologies. But why didn’t you leave a bit more bloody evidence?!!?”
Of course, good old Bertie kinda ignored anything that wasn’t material, but I think the idea is, if God exists, he’ll understand my honesty.
The thing I don’t get about Atheists/Agnostics is that they often don’t try very hard and criticize those that bother with the journey due to their own preexisting ideas and maxims that are pretty easy to figure out if you put some effort into it. For example, why are there so many religions. This one stumped me for a long time, but one day I decided to actually find out the answer. That being said, I’m sure there are some honest ones out there.
Of course, good old Bertie kinda ignored anything that wasn’t material, but I think the idea is, if God exists, he’ll understand my honesty.
The thing I don’t get about Atheists/Agnostics is that they often don’t try very hard and criticize those that bother with the journey due to their own preexisting ideas and maxims that are pretty easy to figure out if you put some effort into it. For example, why are there so many religions. This one stumped me for a long time, but one day I decided to actually find out the answer. That being said, I’m sure there are some honest ones out there.
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CentralFLJames
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What if you’re wrong?I hear this question asked of many athiests and agnostics. So I’m intrested to hear your reposonse the the question.
For an atheist or agnostic the correct reply is to restate the question to correct the assumption. The only correct reply thus becomes: "You mean to ask ‘what if God’s wrong about what He told us’ "?
If he says - ‘that doesn’t answer my question’ have him take it up with God.
But if while thinking to humor us (since he does not believe God exists) he says - “OK - sure, have it your way, what if God’s wrong”?
Then answer him:
Then it depends on 1 of 2 things which path we take but both are without consequence.
- It means that after death we still must take personal responsibility for our own life’s actions whether or not those actions have any consequence to our after-life condition since one has no choice but to accept that God will do whatever He wants to do. Whatever God chooses to do is by definition “the right thing” and nothing we can say or do changes that.
- The question is just as irrelevant as the person asking it since it doesn’t matter that one was wrong since all life is as irrelevant as the question (and we should ignore it).
If we are fully wrong and find God through condition #1 above and are divinely delivered to condition #2 as “the right thing” we go circular in the irrelevance of the question and in the person asking it.
Bottom line - its safe bet to assume its a rhetorical question without any significance to anyone important.
James
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