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Clonereject1138
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More accurately, kill himself for something he believed in!
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KarenNC
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That’s quite a leap.
I believe that yes, at a certain point and in an age appropriate way, that children not only should but must be exposed to knowledge about risky sexual behavior and illegal drugs. They are part of our society. If they do not have this knowledge, how will they understand the ramifications of them? Unfortunately in our society, the age at which such knowledge is needed is growing younger.
This does not mean that I would advocate putting heroin or pot in the baby’s playpen for them to chew on and explore, or sending them to summer camp in a bordello as the only or best way for them to learn about it, as you seem to imply.
I also believe that the best way for children to learn is under the guidance of someone who loves them and has their best interest as the primary goal. To me, that includes a responsibility to educate my child about the reality of the world in which she will live, within the context of my beliefs and in the way in which I feel best suits her level of understanding.
That level of understanding issue is why I believe that it is the best course for the child for a couple in a mixed faith marriage to choose one belief system in which to raise the child until s/he reaches an age at which s/he can have the developmental ability to weigh one against the other, in order to foster a sense of coherence, beauty and depth of religion, not a mishmash or superficial understanding. If they do try to walk the tightrope between two, hopefully the two religions are similar enough that it will not be overwhelmingly confusing and that it is done with great thought on the part of the parents to help the child understand the different messages.
Raising a child is difficult any way you look at it.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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Yes, this is the the proper way to do it.
But what I get from the OP is that they believe that the parent should teach their children about paganism as if it is a vaild alternative.
I will teach children about paganism and other religions the same way I will teach them about rishy sexual behavior and illegal drugs. That in then end they are not life giving and are very destructive.
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kellie
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I never said being pagan and raising a child will make him/her unsocialised.
I was commenting on your remark that you don’t believe in raising a child in one track.
I took this to mean you don’t believe in instilling a child with a religion from his/her birth, but allowing it to choose it’s own religion when it is older.
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kellie
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I was speaking from the viewpoint that there is only one God. Islam does not believe in the same God that Christians and Jews do.When one decides to become a parent, and is fortunate enough to bear a child, one raises it with love and guidance…Study up on socialisation reborn_pagan, you will find that the path you would take as a parent would lead the child to be highly unsocialised.
Am I correct in understanding that you truly believe that any child raised outside of a monotheistic religion (and I note that Islam wasn’t part of your list–is that intentional?) is by definition “unsocialized,” much less highly so? And, conversely, that every child who is raised in such a religion, however nominally, is automatically “socialized?” My experience with kids on both sides of the issue does not bear that out.
I thought reborn_pagan meant that he was opposed to raising a child with one religion, regardless of whether it was Christian or Paganism, and that in his opinion a child should be allowed to choose their own religion when they are older.
That is what I meant when I said that it would lead to the child being unsocialised, as it is our job as parents to give children a good solid grounding. Leaving something as important as religion up in the air is not solid.
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We are all too young at 15 to fully understand the duties of parenthood.
No, I don’t think that a parent who is not Jewish or Christian does not do everything within his or her power to raise a child in love and guidance.
But guidance here is the key word, and allowing a child to be raised with no religion at all, and saying they should be able to choose later is not guiding them at all.
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shirleytowers
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I have three children and if one of them did that I would FREAK OUT big time. I would just come unglued. I would talk them out of it, and if that didn’t work, I would pray them out of it.
However I doubt that would happen because we have relatives who are pagans of different kinds, so we have talked about this kind of thing alot and they are armed.
However I doubt that would happen because we have relatives who are pagans of different kinds, so we have talked about this kind of thing alot and they are armed.
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KarenNC
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But what I get from the OP is that they believe that the parent should teach their children about paganism as if it is a vaild alternative.
He has stated that he is Neopagan (as am I). What else would you expect him to teach his child? Would you expect a Buddhist to teach his child to be Muslim?
I am raising my child in my faith, just as you would do for your child, not presenting my faith as a “viable alternative.” It would be irresponsible for me to do otherwise.
I will teach children about paganism and other religions the same way I will teach them about rishy sexual behavior and illegal drugs. That in then end they are not life giving and are very destructive.
That is your perogative. I am teaching my child that other people may have religious beliefs that differ from ours, but that we should not look down on them or consider ourselves superior for that. That they are likely to have as deep a faith and belief in their God(s) as we do in ours. That we should be content to let it be an issue between those people and their Gods, while we concern ourselves with honoring our Gods.
He has stated that he is Neopagan (as am I). What else would you expect him to teach his child? Would you expect a Buddhist to teach his child to be Muslim?
I am raising my child in my faith, just as you would do for your child, not presenting my faith as a “viable alternative.” It would be irresponsible for me to do otherwise.
I will teach children about paganism and other religions the same way I will teach them about rishy sexual behavior and illegal drugs. That in then end they are not life giving and are very destructive.
That is your perogative. I am teaching my child that other people may have religious beliefs that differ from ours, but that we should not look down on them or consider ourselves superior for that. That they are likely to have as deep a faith and belief in their God(s) as we do in ours. That we should be content to let it be an issue between those people and their Gods, while we concern ourselves with honoring our Gods.
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KarenNC
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**I thought reborn_pagan meant that he was opposed to raising a child with one religion, regardless of whether it was Christian or Paganism, and that in his opinion a child should be allowed to choose their own religion when they are older.
That is what I meant when I said that it would lead to the child being unsocialised, as it is our job as parents to give children a good solid grounding. Leaving something as important as religion up in the air is not solid…But guidance here is the key word, and allowing a child to be raised with no religion at all, and saying they should be able to choose later is not guiding them at all.**
Thanks for the clarification. I am in agreement with you there.
We are all too young at 15 to fully understand the duties of parenthood.
Agreed, and, honestly, I don’t really think anyone fully understands that until the child is actually theirs (either through birth or adoption). Some things you just have to learn through experience .
That is what I meant when I said that it would lead to the child being unsocialised, as it is our job as parents to give children a good solid grounding. Leaving something as important as religion up in the air is not solid…But guidance here is the key word, and allowing a child to be raised with no religion at all, and saying they should be able to choose later is not guiding them at all.**
Thanks for the clarification. I am in agreement with you there.
We are all too young at 15 to fully understand the duties of parenthood.
Agreed, and, honestly, I don’t really think anyone fully understands that until the child is actually theirs (either through birth or adoption). Some things you just have to learn through experience
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Montalban
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I think that’s 'cause paganism isn’t about believing any one thing.
Even the ancients - the Romans - when they went to a new land and found a new set of gods being worshipped there, they just added them to the pantheon.
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reborn_pagan
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…so what yoru saying is that paganism is just as dangerous as drugs,booze,and risky sexual behavior??
and when i became a pagan i was so much happier than a christian. i am now getting ready to take collage classes this fall and graduate to become a psychatrist, in no way i find that destructive
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Mr.Bee
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So… it’s all about you and being happy? Happiness is temporary. Sorry to break that news to you.
Good luck.
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reborn_pagan
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i did not say its all about me bieng happy, i was just pointing out that bieng a pagan is not as dangerous as doing crack and getting knocked up at 13 (im sorry for my use of language im a little cranky this morning)
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Mr.Bee
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Mr. cranky pagan,
And what I’m saying is; being pagan is all about you, not God.
Doing all those things are certainly not as dangerous, but they’re just as selfish.
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reborn_pagan
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…did i say it was about me? no, i was just saying that when i became a pagan, i was no longer in depression. i didn’t need prozac, im not bieng selfish i honor my deites and put others ahead of myself
and you can bealive that being a pagan is all about me, but oh well i can’t change that
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Mr.Bee
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'nuf said.
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reborn_pagan
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whats that supossed to mean?
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reborn_pagan
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the wiccan rede is “an ye harm none do what thou wilt” its on my signature
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reborn_pagan
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you know what mr. bee, your not gonna get the best of me…i am 15 and im gonna take the high road and not get all pissy because your insulting my faith.
your 43 be more mature and not say 'nuf said …thats i have never disrespected your belifes or any others on this forum.
your wiccan friend,
cody (reborn_pagan)
your 43 be more mature and not say 'nuf said …thats i have never disrespected your belifes or any others on this forum.
your wiccan friend,cody (reborn_pagan)
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Mr.Bee
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“my dieties”…
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reborn_pagan
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okay i may say MY deites…and its deites please spell it right…
your twisting my words to make me sound selfish and its not going to work, when i say my deities its the ones i chose to worship, just like how you say “my god”
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