What in Church teaching is infallable and must be believed and what is not?

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i heard there are only a few things that fall into the category of being infallibly taught by the RCC and therefore MUST be accepted by the faithful…

Is this true?

Could you please give as much info as you have on this subject???

thanks…

(i tended to think everything in the Catechism basically fit this criteria more/less???)
 
Where do such things leave the Catholics (and I know quite a few) who are in line with 90% of the Church’s teachings but cannot and will not accept the church’s position on some seemingly vital things such as: Papal authority, abortion position, contraception, the assumption, the perpetual virginity of Mary or her immaculate conception, or the ordination of women. Are they to stay and be in disagreement (which these individuals have not budged from in 10, 20, 30, or even 50 years) or should they leave the church?
 
If you deny these things you are denying basic tenants of our faith…Why would people stay in a religion they didn’t believe in?

It makes no sense at all to me
 
If you deny these things you are denying basic tenants of our faith…Why would people stay in a religion they didn’t believe in?

It makes no sense at all to me
You tell me. I’ve never understood it, but I see it multiple times everyday. My guess is they feel they believe enough, or that the parts they do believe in they can’t find elsewhere.
 
You tell me. How many Catholic women use birth control or support pro-choice right. Yet, they are still Catholic. I don’t get why they stay knowing the Church is not going change those policies.
I don’t know how many do …but there is always a chance that they will change their minds and understand why the church teaches this…I guess…they must love the church even if they refuse to obey her…We need to pray for them…I can’t even begin to imagine my life without my faith…I feel sorry for them
 
Catholics are not impeccable. Poor Catechism gets the best of everybody. I am sure there are Lutherans who do the same.

The interesting thing with regard to birth control is those who practice NFP have extremely low divorce rates (don’t tell me this is because they are religious, now:D).
 
Catholics are not impeccable. Poor Catechism gets the best of everybody. I am sure there are Lutherans who do the same.

The interesting thing with regard to birth control is those who practice NFP have extremely low divorce rates (don’t tell me this is because they are religious, now:D).
Our faith is a banquet…we are so lucky
 
What do you mean?
We have such a rich history filled with feast days and saints…I am reading feast and seasons right now and I just love the beauty of our faith…and of course the eucharist
 
We have such a rich history filled with feast days and saints…I am reading feast and seasons right now and I just love the beauty of our faith…and of course the eucharist
OH, I thought my previous post offended you. WOW, I apologize.
 
Something need not be “infallibly” defined by a Council or Pope for it to be the teaching of the Church.
 
We have to be very careful. Not everything has come under the umbrella of infallibility to be authoritative and requiring submission by the faithful. Along with infallibility, the Church also has temporal authority that is given to her by Jesus Christ himself. Jesus did not limit the authority of Peter to dogmas and doctrines. Peter was commissioned to guide the sheep, to strengthen his brothers and to bind and unbind. His hands were not tied to dogmas and morals alone. He was to govern in Christ’s name.

In the writings of the early Fathers of the Church and the Desert Fathers we find evidence that the early Christians were guided by Peter and the Apostles in matters of daily life as well as doctrine and morals. After the death of the last apostle, they continued to follow the guidance and submit to the governance of their successors.

In fact, the early religious life was born from this movement. Men and women retired to the desert to live a life that was free of the distractions of the world. They were anchorites and cenobites, the earliest forms of monks, nuns and hermits. But they remaind submissive to the authority of the bishops and the popes in all things, not just doctrines and morals. One reason that the first religious men and women moved away from the mainstream was to avoid the contamination of the world that had begun to challenge and question the Church. These conflicts interfered with and distracted from the life of holiness and prayer.

Maybe, we too have to recover the spirit of the early Desert Fathers and Mothers and put some distance between us and those who question everything rather than practice humility and trust in God’s promises to the Church.

Have a Blessed Christmas,

Br. JR, OSF :christmastree1:
 
The levels of truth and the role of the Magisterium in its reflection: From Veratatis Splendor:
In order to carry out her prophetic mission, the Church must constantly reawaken or “rekindle” her own life of faith (cf. 2 Tim 1:6), particularly through an ever deeper reflection, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, upon the content of faith itself. The “vocation” of the theologian in the Church is specifically at the service of this “believing effort to understand the faith”. As the Instruction Donum Veritatis teaches: “Among the vocations awakened by the Spirit in the Church is that of the theologian. His role is to pursue in a particular way an ever deeper understanding of the word of God found in the inspired Scriptures and handed on by the living Tradition of the Church. He does this in communion with the Magisterium, which has been charged with the responsibility of preserving the deposit of faith. By its nature, faith appeals to reason because it reveals to man the truth of his destiny and the way to attain it. Revealed truth, to be sure, surpasses our telling. All our concepts fall short of its ultimately unfathomable grandeur (cf. Eph 3:19). Nonetheless, revealed truth beckons reason — God’s gift fashioned for the assimilation of truth — to enter into its light and thereby come to understand in a certain measure what it has believed. Theological science responds to the invitation of truth as it seeks to understand the faith. It thereby aids the People of God in fulfilling the Apostle’s command (cf. 1 Pet 3:15) to give an accounting for their hope to those who ask it” … In proclaiming the commandments of God and the charity of Christ, the Church’s Magisterium also teaches the faithful specific particular precepts and requires that they consider them in conscience as morally binding. In addition, the Magisterium carries out an important work of vigilance, warning the faithful of the presence of possible errors, even merely implicit ones, when their consciences fail to acknowledge the correctness and the truth of the moral norms which the Magisterium teaches.
Asking what is infallible and what isn’t seems to be the same as asking the teacher if something will be on the “test”. We need to know everything as it proceeds from the love for God and the Love from God. If there is a contradiction in teaching, as a verse contradictory to another in the Bible, the truth can be found in the more profound depth not attainable from a shallow reading. This profundity comes, not from our nature, but from God’s Nature in our souls via union with Him. Study, and not a question as to its level of worthiness, is what is needed. The statement in 109 of Veritatis Splendor…
Thanks to the permanent presence of the Spirit of truth in the Church, “the universal body of the faithful who have received the anointing of the holy one cannot be mistaken in belief. It displays this particular quality through a supernatural sense of the faith in the whole people when, 'from the Bishops to the last of the lay faithful ', it expresses the consensus of all in matters of faith and morals”.
…indicate this spirit that unites us in the Source of Truth which is God. Those who want the Church to “lay down the law” do so from a standpoint that the perfection of this law written on our hearts and that is powered through God’s Grace is unable to be mandated. As in the Trinity, the love for God comes from the Love from God.
 
Where do such things leave the Catholics (and I know quite a few) who are in line with 90% of the Church’s teachings but cannot and will not accept the church’s position on some seemingly vital things such as: Papal authority, abortion position, contraception, the assumption, the perpetual virginity of Mary or her immaculate conception, or the ordination of women. Are they to stay and be in disagreement (which these individuals have not budged from in 10, 20, 30, or even 50 years) or should they leave the church?
That is hard to answer. My first thought was that they should leave the Church. My second thought was that they already have and why claim to be Catholic when one isn’t? My third thought was that if they remain in the Church at least they are there even though they may be sinning (and we all sin).

But those things you mention are so important and so basic to the Catholic faith that I would wonder why anyone would remain in the Church if they don’t accept them. And I’m speaking as one who didn’t accept many of the Church teachings and I did leave. Now that I’ve come back I accept them all.

You mentioned abortion and that is particularly important. If a Catholic procures an abortion she is automatically excommunicated. So I question organizations like “Catholics for Choice” who seem to feel that if enough protest is raised the Church will agree that abortion is OK. And, of course, the Church will never change her views on abortion and never should change her views.

Questioning one faith or aspects of one’s faith is healthy. But to expect the Church to change her teachings so that they correlate with what one thinks they should be is unhealthy and an exercise in futility.
 
We have to be very careful. Not everything has come under the umbrella of infallibility to be authoritative and requiring submission by the faithful. Along with infallibility, the Church also has temporal authority that is given to her by Jesus Christ himself. Jesus did not limit the authority of Peter to dogmas and doctrines. Peter was commissioned to guide the sheep, to strengthen his brothers and to bind and unbind. His hands were not tied to dogmas and morals alone. He was to govern in Christ’s name.

In the writings of the early Fathers of the Church and the Desert Fathers we find evidence that the early Christians were guided by Peter and the Apostles in matters of daily life as well as doctrine and morals. After the death of the last apostle, they continued to follow the guidance and submit to the governance of their successors.

In fact, the early religious life was born from this movement. Men and women retired to the desert to live a life that was free of the distractions of the world. They were anchorites and cenobites, the earliest forms of monks, nuns and hermits. But they remaind submissive to the authority of the bishops and the popes in all things, not just doctrines and morals. One reason that the first religious men and women moved away from the mainstream was to avoid the contamination of the world that had begun to challenge and question the Church. These conflicts interfered with and distracted from the life of holiness and prayer.

Maybe, we too have to recover the spirit of the early Desert Fathers and Mothers and put some distance between us and those who question everything rather than practice humility and trust in God’s promises to the Church.

Have a Blessed Christmas,

Br. JR, OSF :christmastree1:
Wow, that sounds cool to me. I would love to go out to the desert and be a whatever it is that women are allowed to become. I mean, I know I can become a nun, but what you are describing sounds very different from what my limited knowledge of nuns has led me to believe. I’d love to be a monk but as a female I don’t think I have that option.

It just sounds really nice.
 
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