What in your opinion is specifically wrong with modern American Television?

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As a storyteller, Gotham and the Arrow are really bad. Sex outside of marriage, making deals with people just a notch or two above the devil? Even killing for them? Seriously? I want my heroes to be heroic. And issue advocacy. DONE COMPLETELY ON PURPOSE as if we don’t notice. Gay husbands - as if they’ve always been there, or a bisexual wife.

As a professional editor, I’ve seen a ton of manuscripts and the people in Hollywood as well. God forbid you tell them to stop turning up the volume on immoral sex, profanity and dysfunctional living. Hollywood, for the most part, gives us bad to awful role models. It has nothing to do with the writing since scripts are not approved by writers. I’ve watched the trends for 40 years. My comments are not opinions.

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Being a reader I tend to look at things from the standpoint of storytelling. Stories that uplift or show a humanity we can all strive for. The sex, the violence, the profanity are just the results of a world-view that is dark, negative and pessimistic.
I have to wonder, watching modern TV, if the scripts are written by one person, or a committee. They seem disjointed and all over the place, with no center.
 
In the 1990s, advertisers convinced people in Hollywood they needed more ads since more ads meant more dollars for TV show producers.
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Which perhaps is why some people would rather watch these shows on Netflix, without ads.
 
Has anyone ever given up TV for Lent? I did a few years ago and it made a huge difference in my level of stress and anxiety. A friend recommended I read the book I See Far by A Friend of Medjugorje and while I don’t agree with a lot of what “the Friend” promotes I found this book to be an excellent and worthwhile read on the subject of television. I would recommend this book to anyone.

I have not paid for any TV service for years and refuse to now especially considering what you can watch online for free. I’m a fan of hockey and football and there is usually a free stream available for most of the games.
Most TV shows are just that.
And have you noticed the actual length, without ads of most TV?
In the 1950s a Perry Mason episode clocked in at 52 minutes without ads.
Today an hour show clocks in at roughly 40 minutes. Basically 20 minutes of ads compared to eight.
I gave up TV years ago, and it was a good move all around. It’s hard to imagine how liberating it is till one does it. If I really want to watch sometime like a documentary, most of those things can be found on DVD at the library or online.

And yeah, those 20 minutes of commercials…ugh, I’m glad I took back that wasted time. If I want to de-stress and “waste” time relaxing and doing nothing, give me a starry night sky or a setting sun, fireflies, the sound of a breeze in pine trees…give me reality.
 
Being a reader I tend to look at things from the standpoint of storytelling. Stories that uplift or show a humanity we can all strive for. The sex, the violence, the profanity are just the results of a world-view that is dark, negative and pessimistic.
I have to wonder, watching modern TV, if the scripts are written by one person, or a committee. They seem disjointed and all over the place, with no center.
As someone who knows a Hollywood script editor, the content has to be approved before it gets the green light for production. Hollywood, for the most part, is amoral or immoral. Reading the Hollywood trade publications, it’s clear that issue advocacy groups are having a greater influence. Last year, there was an uproar from these groups because some TV shows got cancelled and it became “a threat to diversity.” Did it occur to them that people just didn’t like the shows, and that’s why they were cancelled? Now, the new trend is female hero leads, from Supergirl to Rey in Star Wars: The Force Awakens. Nothing wrong with that but like lobbyists in Washington, TV (and movie) producers can be swayed. And yes, I’ve seen disjointed or “he did this before to the bad guys, why can’t he do it to this one?” scenes. These are continuity errors. And I’ve seen logic errors as well.

Writers are now called “content providers” by the way. And yes, scripts are reviewed by others for certain elements and parts may be changed to “spicen up” or add a character that falls into the “diversity” category because today, that’s the goal. TV can’t be like the old stuff, it has to advance a cause or causes as well, on top of more sex, profanity and sicko violence.

Ed
 
Many of the shows you mention I would regard as right-wing fantasies. The further this country goes down the fascist road, the more dark, brutal, moral-less, soul-less violence we see.
Leftist, anarchist fantasies. It has nothing to do with the country. TV is not like a college class you have to sit through. Just turn it off and calmly complain as it gets worse and worse so others can stop watching what amounts to poison for the brain and soul.

Ed
 
The rise of adult cartoons has always been a head scratcher for me. Especially since kids watch them anyway.
Sick, dysfunctional, really bad cartoons? “Those values on which we used to rely.” They spit on those values in Family Guy. They know precisely what they’re doing which is why that quote is in the opening song.

Ed
 
Leftist, anarchist fantasies. It has nothing to do with the country. TV is not like a college class you have to sit through. Just turn it off and calmly complain as it gets worse and worse so others can stop watching what amounts to poison for the brain and soul.
Ed
Unfortunately that is easier said than done, at least for the majority of young people. The violence, gore, and brutality seen in movies, TV, and video games creates a soulless society that views those things as desirable. Not unlike Nazi Germany or ancient Rome.
But keeping on topic, the day they announce a new ‘reality show’ where people fight to the death, actual death, not make believe, I might be the only one not surprised or shocked. Once the bloodlust begins, it demands bigger and bigger thrills.
Whether left or right, it’s still fascist and war-mongering. Remember the cheers over the ‘live’ bombing (“shock and awe”) of Bagdad? My guess is the same people who cheered are regular viewers of trash like “24” and “Homeland”. The ‘war and killing is fun’ crowd.
God help us all.
 
Unfortunately that is easier said than done, at least for the majority of young people. The violence, gore, and brutality seen in movies, TV, and video games creates a soulless society that views those things as desirable. Not unlike Nazi Germany or ancient Rome.
But keeping on topic, the day they announce a new ‘reality show’ where people fight to the death, actual death, not make believe, I might be the only one not surprised or shocked. Once the bloodlust begins, it demands bigger and bigger thrills.
Whether left or right, it’s still fascist and war-mongering. Remember the cheers over the ‘live’ bombing (“shock and awe”) of Bagdad? My guess is the same people who cheered are regular viewers of trash like “24” and “Homeland”. The ‘war and killing is fun’ crowd.
God help us all.
This is the time to be countercultural. This is the time for Catholics to say Enough is Enough! Not just let it go on. If we can reach just one person and save them from this spiritual and mental disease, what is that worth? Are we going to stand by while Pagan Rome or Nazi Germany are created on TV! “They’re killing people Live! Tonight!”? Yes, those partially naked women on Game of Thrones are really partially naked. Wake up, my fellow Catholics! Pagan Rome and simulated sex on TV are here!! Now!!!

Truth is truth. We are the salt of the earth. And if the salt loses its savor, it is thrown out and men trample it underfoot. If we don’t stand up and say something, we will be called to account for our lack of action before God.

And another thing. We SHOULD NOT accept “OPINION CULTURE” as “the truth.” The real truth is the truth always, every day, for everyone. Even if they reject it, we still need to repeat it as often as we can, calmly and firmly.

We are not mindless robots who lack the will to control what we see, hear or do. No one needs TV. If it’s like a drug or anyone fears boredom, then take the time to find fun things to do that are Godly. Everyone reading this has the strength to say no to bad, immoral TV.

Best,
Ed
 
This is the time to be countercultural. This is the time for Catholics to say Enough is Enough! Not just let it go on. If we can reach just one person and save them from this spiritual and mental disease, what is that worth? Are we going to stand by while Pagan Rome or Nazi Germany are created on TV! “They’re killing people Live! Tonight!”? Yes, those partially naked women on Game of Thrones are really partially naked. Wake up, my fellow Catholics! Pagan Rome and simulated sex on TV are here!! Now!!!

Truth is truth. We are the salt of the earth. And if the salt loses its savor, it is thrown out and men trample it underfoot. If we don’t stand up and say something, we will be called to account for our lack of action before God.

And another thing. We SHOULD NOT accept “OPINION CULTURE” as “the truth.” The real truth is the truth always, every day, for everyone. Even if they reject it, we still need to repeat it as often as we can, calmly and firmly.

We are not mindless robots who lack the will to control what we see, hear or do. No one needs TV. If it’s like a drug or anyone fears boredom, then take the time to find fun things to do that are Godly. Everyone reading this has the strength to say no to bad, immoral TV.

Best,
Ed
I don’t watch ANY modern TV (unless you count American Pickers). I am sure there are many, MANY people out there like me who are culturally clue-less on purpose. This has been an interesting thread and has provided a soundboard for people who are fed up.
 
Writers are now called “content providers” by the way. And yes, scripts are reviewed by others for certain elements and parts may be changed to “spicen up” or add a character that falls into the “diversity” category because today, that’s the goal. TV can’t be like the old stuff, it has to advance a cause or causes as well, on top of more sex, profanity and sicko violence.

Ed
We’ve come a long way since a show called ‘Your Show of Shows’ included some of the best comedy writers in the business. Carl Reiner, Neil Simon, Mel Brooks, Howard Morris.
 
We’ve come a long way since a show called ‘Your Show of Shows’ included some of the best comedy writers in the business. Carl Reiner, Neil Simon, Mel Brooks, Howard Morris.
A gradual change, year after year, for decades, to poison the American mind. The long road to depravity is what some wanted, and they want us to like this poison as much as they do.

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On regards to “Family Guy”. Yes it is an adult cartoon placed in a prime time slot. Animated shows for adults have been around for a long while like Fritz the Cat. Animation is a medium to present a story. While I find “Family Guy” funny that type of show, in my opinion, didn’t translate well in the making of “Ted” but plenty of people did like it… Seriously though compared to some other countries the sex in shows is very little. We as a nation, imo, are a bit too prudish when it comes to the body.
 
On regards to “Family Guy”. Yes it is an adult cartoon placed in a prime time slot. Animated shows for adults have been around for a long while like Fritz the Cat. Animation is a medium to present a story. While I find “Family Guy” funny that type of show, in my opinion, didn’t translate well in the making of “Ted” but plenty of people did like it… Seriously though compared to some other countries the sex in shows is very little. We as a nation, imo, are a bit too prudish when it comes to the body.
Fritz the Cat was an X-rated cartoon movie.
:cool:
Violence and gore is a form of pornography too. Do research into real serial killers.
It’s not just the sex.
 
On regards to “Family Guy”. Yes it is an adult cartoon placed in a prime time slot. Animated shows for adults have been around for a long while like Fritz the Cat. Animation is a medium to present a story. While I find “Family Guy” funny that type of show, in my opinion, didn’t translate well in the making of “Ted” but plenty of people did like it… Seriously though compared to some other countries the sex in shows is very little. We as a nation, imo, are a bit too prudish when it comes to the body.
Proud to be a prude. Fritz the Cat was sick.

Ed
 
All of the above - rude, crude, too much sex (gay and straight) and violence, (un)reality TV. Whatever happened to TV shows that were really entertaining that the whole family could watch – Carol Burnett, Happy Days, The Waltons, Emergency?
Also, the bandwagon – one network airs a dark take on a fairy tale, then they all do. One does a “gritty” police procedural, they all do.
Lastly, even the few so-called reality shows I did watch on rare occasions were out to insult people: On Say Yes to the Dress, the hosts would insult either the Bride-to-Be or her family and friends behind their backs. Likewise, What Not to Wear, while purporting to help people dress better would belittle their victims, even for choices that were not necessarily unflattering. (There are kinder ways to offer advice.).

I wonder if that’s why cooking shows are so popular – can’t really do much that is offensive on those.

So, in my 50 words or less:

A lack of the true, the beautiful, and the good.
 
Fritz the Cat was an X-rated cartoon movie.
:cool:
Violence and gore is a form of pornography too. Do research into real serial killers.
It’s not just the sex.
Yeah. I don’t think it that aired on TV as a cartoon.

The Flintstones was the first prime time cartoon, but its target audience was families.

I don’t necessarily think that all TV should be aimed at families. Some things can have a more mature theme. For example, Blue Bloods is generally a good show, but might be too intense for children.
 
Please tell me what TV shows have “too much” gay sex. I don’t see anything on TV or even on DISH that screams gay sex. I dare say we need more LGBTQI+ people on TV. I love Ellen for example.
 
This is the time to be countercultural. This is the time for Catholics to say Enough is Enough! Not just let it go on. If we can reach just one person and save them from this spiritual and mental disease, what is that worth? Are we going to stand by while Pagan Rome or Nazi Germany are created on TV! “They’re killing people Live! Tonight!”?
Ed
According to Wikipedia:
Saint Telemachus was a monk who, according to the Church historian Theodoret, tried to stop a gladiatorial fight in a Roman amphitheatre, and was stoned to death by the crowd. The Christian Emperor Honorius, however, was impressed by the monk’s martyrdom and it spurred him to issue a historic ban on gladiatorial fights.
The deeper a nation falls into savagery, the worse it gets.
 
All of the above - rude, crude, too much sex (gay and straight) and violence, (un)reality TV. Whatever happened to TV shows that were really entertaining that the whole family could watch – Carol Burnett, Happy Days, The Waltons, Emergency?
Also, the bandwagon – one network airs a dark take on a fairy tale, then they all do. One does a “gritty” police procedural, they all do.
Lastly, even the few so-called reality shows I did watch on rare occasions were out to insult people: On Say Yes to the Dress, the hosts would insult either the Bride-to-Be or her family and friends behind their backs. Likewise, What Not to Wear, while purporting to help people dress better would belittle their victims, even for choices that were not necessarily unflattering. (There are kinder ways to offer advice.).

I wonder if that’s why cooking shows are so popular – can’t really do much that is offensive on those.

So, in my 50 words or less:

A lack of the true, the beautiful, and the good.
Yes. I agree.

Best,
Ed
 
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