What is a Mormon?

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are Mormons judgemental if they know you are leaving their faith? Why would it be hard for an ex-Mormon to continue living in UT?
It is hard for those whose family have a tradition in Mormonism. They face the similar family disappointment/disapproval that many Catholics who are leaving Catholicism face with their families who have a strong Catholic tradition face.

It is not hard for an ex-Mormon these day to live in many parts of UT. Utah Valley (where Provo campus of BYU is) may be a bit more challenging, but the demographics have changed quite a bit according to the former Mormons I am acquainted with who still reside there.

That is not to say it’s easy. But from what I understand that the people leaving the LDS church are leaving in fairly high numbers now that it’s not all that unusual.

I know of one family who live in Orem, UT. Very TBM. The husband’s sister lives in Salt Lake, and has left the church, but they still are very close.

There are a lot of cracks now in the LDS membership that people leaving are far more common than they were when even I left.
 
When do they wear it?
All the time. It is underwear which is supposed to protect them from bad things, originally such things as being bothered by evil spirits.
 
What’s the temple garment? When do they wear it?
Mormons have temples that are different from their normal meeting places (they call them wards what Catholics call parishes)

In those temples is where Mormons get married (“sealed”) and also make covenants of obedience, chastisty, etc etc. When they make those covenants they were what is known as the “priesthood garment” or “temple garment” to remind them of those covenants.

Think of how Orthodox Jews or various Catholic religious orders where outter garments and reminders to remind them of promises and vows taken. Mormons just wear those reminds under their clothes in a specially designed kind of underwear.
 
Mormons have temples that are different from their normal meeting places (they call them wards what Catholics call parishes)

In those temples is where Mormons get married (“sealed”) and also make covenants of obedience, chastisty, etc etc. When they make those covenants they were what is known as the “priesthood garment” or “temple garment” to remind them of those covenants.

Think of how Orthodox Jews or various Catholic religious orders where outter garments and reminders to remind them of promises and vows taken. Mormons just wear those reminds under their clothes in a specially designed kind of underwear.
I went online to look at samples and they look like 1800’s underwear. They could not be worn without a full covered outfit on the outside. You would be forced to dress very conservative.

What I read is that they have to wear them day and night and can only take them off for swimming, washing, etc. Then when it’s old, they have to cut out all the religious symbols so that it’s no longer sacred.

When they buy a new one, do they have to get it blessed or approved?

This is a huge demand for a person to do for 50 or more years.
 
I went online to look at samples and they look like 1800’s underwear. They could not be worn without a full covered outfit on the outside. You would be forced to dress very conservative.

What I read is that they have to wear them day and night and can only take them off for swimming, washing, etc. Then when it’s old, they have to cut out all the religious symbols so that it’s no longer sacred.

When they buy a new one, do they have to get it blessed or approved?

This is a huge demand for a person to do for 50 or more years.
The 19th century style you saw hasn’t been worn for a decades. The styles have changed over the years and now look more like tee-shirts and long boxers but made of more lightweight underwear-like material. Wearing longer shorts and a short sleeved shirt these days covers them. So yes, there is a sense of modesty about them, but not in a radical sense.

No, they aren’t blessed, but are made by the LDS Church exclusively and have the approval of the General Authorities (Apostles, and the president of the LDS Church). There are markings (symbols) on them each with different meanings
 
This is a huge demand for a person to do for 50 or more years.
A devoted Mormon wouldn’t see it was a “demand”…they see it as a sacred priviledge, much like our consecrated religious who where habits see their habits as a priviledge and not a “demand”
 
You can’t pin down what a Mormon believes or doesn’t believe. They have no orthodoxy within their faith. Anyone is free to believe whatever they like, as long as they believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet, their current leader is a prophet and that their Book of Mormon is scripture.

Other than that, you can ask 10 Mormons what they believe and get 10 very different answers.

As for leaving Mormonism, when I left I went to atheism, and stayed quiet about it. My family never stops (to this day) sending Mormon missionaries to my door. When I am at family parties, all they talk about is Mormon “stuff”. Their entire lives revolve around Mormonism, so the exclusion from their lives is very complete and very real. Essentially, not being Mormon means I have nothing in common with my family, whatsoever.

When they pray, I don’t believe in the god they pray to. When they baptize their children I see it as make believe. When I go to their funerals they make sure to tell me that they are unique because they believe in the resurrection and no else does. :rolleyes: When I am at their church service, all I want to do is get up and run out as fast as I can. But, I have felt that way about Mormonism since I was 15 or 16 years old. 😃

When I became Catholic, most of my family didn’t say anything. One brother in law though was very in my face and insulting, but, he and I don’t get along anyway. I don’t think we would if I were the most active Mormon on the planet. So I don’t think it was me being Catholic, just he doesn’t like me or anything I do, believe or say.
 
What is a Mormon?
Anyone who follows Joseph Smith and believes that his Book of Mormon is scripture.
What do they believe?
Where to begin? There are numerous threads here on what Mormons believe.
What does it stem from?
A mish-mash of 19th century American Protestantism (the Second Great Awakening, Restorationism, Campelites, etc) free masonry, frontier folk magic and a pinch of Jewish Kabbalah.
 
A devoted Mormon wouldn’t see it was a “demand”…they see it as a sacred priviledge, much like our consecrated religious who where habits see their habits as a priviledge and not a “demand”
Well, and there’s been an interesting development in the way that garments are produced and distributed. For years, the making of one’s own garments is prohibited. From what I understand, in the mid-20th Century in Utah, people could purchase garments in local JC Penney’s and other department stores. Then they were moved so that the church distributed them in temples only, and then online. However, due to the desecration of the garments by non-believers, the garments are now only available to people with worthy temple recommends.

Now, for those of you who are not familiar with garments, once an LDS member is “endowed” in the temple, it is a spiritual oath requirement to wear them constantly, with few exceptions such as bathing and swimming, until their death. To be endowed and then to cease wearing garments is one of the biggest sins that a person can commit in the LDS church.

Here’s where the problems come in:
  1. Only temple-worthy LDS members can purchase endowments.
  2. Once endowed, the commitment is there for life.
  3. The LDS church is the only distributor of these garments (they cannot be made outside of the official LDS channels).
  4. So financially, a person will not only have to give 10% of their income for tithing, but will also have to give money for the rest of their lives to pay for the garments (which used to range from $15/$30 set, and most people have at least a week’s worth, that last aboyt a year after weekly wear).
To give a comperable example, imagine that to be a faithful Catholic, after Confirmation and marriage, you had to have an interview with the priest once a year, guaranteeing that a true 10% of your income was being tithed to the church, plus you have to wear a brown scapular for the rest of your life. And the only place you could buy the scapular was the Catholic Cathedral Church. Oh, and if you stopped wearing it, it would not be that you would lose the blessings of grace, but you would be risking your immortal soul.

Let me give you a very real example of the consequences of this. My mother was LDS for her entire adult life. When she moved to Arkansas, her “ward” (local church) was over 30 minutes away, on winding roads that made her nervous to drive. She also has an issue with smoking and drinking coffee. Due to her Word of Wisdom violations, and her marginal activity in the church, she was not eligible for a temple recommend.

For 20+ years, every pair of panties, and every camisole, that she purchase was done through the LDS church. But once she was no longer eligible for the temple recommend, she had to go out and buy regular panties when her garments finally wore through and were no longer wearable.

She felt for a few years that she was sinning and doomed, and would not be with my father in the Celestial Kingdom because she could not wear her garments. She finally realized after prayer that she did not need to go to the Mormon church, and now attends the First Baptist Church of Van Buren - 5 minutes from her house.

I don’t begrudge giving money to a church, or buying sacramentals. But having to give a certain percentage with the consequence of sin, plus buying specific sacramentals through the church that have a definite shelf life (with no option of making your own, or buying them at a discount) really bothers me.
 
Growing up, I’d help my mother with laundry, which included washing, drying and folding her temple garments.

After I stopped going to their church (what Mormons call inactive) I was at her house one day helping her. I had already helped her with a few batches of laundry and had pulled out another load from the dryer, and had started to fold the clothes. Without saying a word, my mom quickly picked up the entire batch of clothes out from under me and whisked them away to her bedroom. Apparently, I had become unworthy to fold her underwear. :eek:

lol.
 
What’s the temple garment? When do they wear it?
In addition to our chapels/meetinghouses, Latter-day Saints (Mormons) also have temples, where we can enter into sacred covenants with God. The “endowment” is a ceremony that is participated in in our temples, and involves a presentation of the plan of salvation, as well as entering into covenants with God. The “garment” is a reminder of these sacred covenants that we have entered into. Garments are worn underneath our clothing, as underwear, serving as a constant personal reminder to us, of purity, modesty, a reminder of putting on the “armor of God” (Ephesians 6:13), and covenant making with the Lord.
 
Then they were moved so that the church distributed them in temples only, and then online. However, due to the desecration of the garments by non-believers, the garments are now only available to people with worthy temple recommends.

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That was true when I went thru in '89. So Im guessing that was pretty much true thru most of the 20th century.
 
All the time. It is underwear which is supposed to protect them from bad things, originally such things as being bothered by evil spirits.
You admit to having never been Mormon and to living in an area relatively “Mormon-free”, yet you feel confident enough in your knowledge to answer questions about Mormons, to which you frequently get it wrong. This impinges your credibility, you know.
 
Serap:

While it’s true that there exists some superstition regarding the Garment within Mormon folklore, the official hierarchy generally discourage the recounting of magical tales about the Garment (or the temple in general), and there’s no official LDS teaching (that I know of) which imparts the Garment with any sort of material power.

This is similar to the superstition rampant in some Catholic sub-cultures which persist despite official teaching of the Church.
 
You can’t pin down what a Mormon believes or doesn’t believe. They have no orthodoxy within their faith. Anyone is free to believe whatever they like, as long as they believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet, their current leader is a prophet and that their Book of Mormon is scripture.

Other than that, you can ask 10 Mormons what they believe and get 10 very different answers.

As for leaving Mormonism, when I left I went to atheism, and stayed quiet about it. My family never stops (to this day) sending Mormon missionaries to my door. When I am at family parties, all they talk about is Mormon “stuff”. Their entire lives revolve around Mormonism, so the exclusion from their lives is very complete and very real. Essentially, not being Mormon means I have nothing in common with my family, whatsoever.

When they pray, I don’t believe in the god they pray to. When they baptize their children I see it as make believe. When I go to their funerals they make sure to tell me that they are unique because they believe in the resurrection and no else does. :rolleyes: When I am at their church service, all I want to do is get up and run out as fast as I can. But, I have felt that way about Mormonism since I was 15 or 16 years old. 😃

When I became Catholic, most of my family didn’t say anything. One brother in law though was very in my face and insulting, but, he and I don’t get along anyway. I don’t think we would if I were the most active Mormon on the planet. So I don’t think it was me being Catholic, just he doesn’t like me or anything I do, believe or say.
Actually, the 13 Articles of Faith are a good synopsis of what we believe. They were written as a summary of our beliefs.
 
Well, and there’s been an interesting development in the way that garments are produced and distributed. For years, the making of one’s own garments is prohibited. From what I understand, in the mid-20th Century in Utah, people could purchase garments in local JC Penney’s and other department stores. Then they were moved so that the church distributed them in temples only, and then online. However, due to the desecration of the garments by non-believers, the garments are now only available to people with worthy temple recommends.

Now, for those of you who are not familiar with garments, once an LDS member is “endowed” in the temple, it is a spiritual oath requirement to wear them constantly, with few exceptions such as bathing and swimming, until their death. To be endowed and then to cease wearing garments is one of the biggest sins that a person can commit in the LDS church.

Here’s where the problems come in:
  1. Only temple-worthy LDS members can purchase endowments.
  2. Once endowed, the commitment is there for life.
  3. The LDS church is the only distributor of these garments (they cannot be made outside of the official LDS channels).
  4. So financially, a person will not only have to give 10% of their income for tithing, but will also have to give money for the rest of their lives to pay for the garments (which used to range from $15/$30 set, and most people have at least a week’s worth, that last aboyt a year after weekly wear).
To give a comperable example, imagine that to be a faithful Catholic, after Confirmation and marriage, you had to have an interview with the priest once a year, guaranteeing that a true 10% of your income was being tithed to the church, plus you have to wear a brown scapular for the rest of your life. And the only place you could buy the scapular was the Catholic Cathedral Church. Oh, and if you stopped wearing it, it would not be that you would lose the blessings of grace, but you would be risking your immortal soul.

Let me give you a very real example of the consequences of this. My mother was LDS for her entire adult life. When she moved to Arkansas, her “ward” (local church) was over 30 minutes away, on winding roads that made her nervous to drive. She also has an issue with smoking and drinking coffee. Due to her Word of Wisdom violations, and her marginal activity in the church, she was not eligible for a temple recommend.

For 20+ years, every pair of panties, and every camisole, that she purchase was done through the LDS church. But once she was no longer eligible for the temple recommend, she had to go out and buy regular panties when her garments finally wore through and were no longer wearable.

She felt for a few years that she was sinning and doomed, and would not be with my father in the Celestial Kingdom because she could not wear her garments. She finally realized after prayer that she did not need to go to the Mormon church, and now attends the First Baptist Church of Van Buren - 5 minutes from her house.

I don’t begrudge giving money to a church, or buying sacramentals. But having to give a certain percentage with the consequence of sin, plus buying specific sacramentals through the church that have a definite shelf life (with no option of making your own, or buying them at a discount) really bothers me.
You do realize that the 10% is called tithing…right? Malachi had some pretty strong words about tithing.

It’s all about framing. Reminds me of a catcher in baseball that catches a pitch outside the strike zone and pulls it into the strike zone and holds it there for a second or two in hope of swaying the umpire’s call.
 
Actually, the 13 Articles of Faith are a good synopsis of what we believe. They were written as a summary of our beliefs.
Am I correct in my understanding that the LDS reject the Christian creeds? How is this, then, not akin to a creed, i.e. a summary of one’s faith?
 
Am I correct in my understanding that the LDS reject the Christian creeds? How is this, then, not akin to a creed, i.e. a summary of one’s faith?
They reject the common creeds of many Christian churches most specifically the Nicene Creed.
 
Serap, you will find people who call the Mormon church a cult, but you will also find people who call the Catholic Church a cult. The term “cult” is a term used to degrade other groups and really does not have a very accurate definition.

It is best to learn from them on their own site; however, a summary of their beliefs can be found in the Apostle’s creed:
  1. I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth.
  2. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.
  3. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.
  4. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.
  5. He descended to the dead. On the third day he rose again.
  6. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
  7. He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
  8. I believe in the Holy Spirit,
  9. (they do not believe in a universal Catholic Church)
  10. the forgiveness of sins,
  11. the resurrection of the body,
  12. and life everlasting.
    Amen.
They reject the common creeds of many Christian churches most specifically the Nicene Creed.
They don’t simply reject the creeds of Christian churches they refer to them as an abomination. It is quite disingenuous of JeanMichel to describe their beliefs as aligning with the Apostles Creed when they teach that all Christian Creeds are an abomination and when no LDS poster here has disagreed with that assessment of the creeds.

The missionaries lesson on the abominable creeds can be viewed here if you go to page 51 on the Adobe document. The LDS.org description of the “First Vision” can be read here. It is quite evident from their own published words that the LDS do no accept the Apostles Creed as a profession of their faith.
 
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