What is appropriate clothing to wear at Mass if you're a female?

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If you have to choose between starving and going to Mass, go to Mass.

I for one, refuse to work on Sunday. I trust God will provide for the slight deficiency in my pay.
I’ve trusted God right into a heck of a lot of things that he sure didn’t do a whole lot to get me out of - probably because he’d rather me figure it out myself. It’s never been church teaching that one is obligated to starve, or be homeless, in order to attend Mass.

And Xanthippe_Voorhees is right - for many of us, that “slight deficiency” might be “can I pay rent this month or am I getting evicted?”
 
I would not want to be with a man who had such views as yours…I actually avoided them on Ave Maria Singles.

They told me I didn’t know what I was missing.

I see that I DO know entirely too well what I was missing. And I’m so grateful that God provided me with a good man.
 
I suggest you trust God. He gave us 1 day in 7 as a break for a reason; the remaining 6 days are in his hands. If you go to Mass on Sunday, I firmly believe he will take care of your financial needs the rest of the week. Besides, maybe poverty is your vocation.
 
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If you have to choose between starving and going to Mass, go to Mass.

I for one, refuse to work on Sunday. I trust God will provide for the slight deficiency in my pay.
I’ve trusted God right into a heck of a lot of things that he sure didn’t do a whole lot to get me out of - probably because he’d rather me figure it out myself. It’s never been church teaching that one is obligated to starve, or be homeless, in order to attend Mass.

And Xanthippe_Voorhees is right - for many of us, that “slight deficiency” might be “can I pay rent this month or am I getting evicted?”
I was what was more or less considered parentless at 18 due to the manner in which my adoption worked.

That meant I had no one to sign on my college loans. Which meant that in addition to a full undergrad load, my mandatory volunteer hours (Catholic university) I had to fit about 30-50 hours of minimum wage paying jobs in. There was no getting out of working on Sundays…and I’m pretty sure God understood, given that He gave me the strength to manage all of that and keep my 3.25 needed for my scholarships. It wasn’t easy, but I was blessed.
 
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NTERVENTION BY THE HOLY SEE
AT THE 45th SESSION OF THE COMMISSION
FOR SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT
OF THE U.N. ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL COUNCIL ON:

“Priority theme: promoting full employment and decent work for all”

ADDRESS OF H.E. MSGR. CELESTINO MIGLIORE*

New York
Thursday, 8 February 2007

Nowadays, equal pay for equal work seems obvious, but women are still too often overlooked or undervalued in this regard, leading to discrimination against them in both rich and poor countries. The equality of women and men should be evident also in their treatment in the workplace, in salaries and in the acquisition of pensions. The presence of women throughout the workplace can only help to improve it, revealing and overcoming the contradictions present in many societies, including those organized principally according to the criteria of efficiency and productivity. Equality will be seen immediately through equal pay for equal work, protection for working mothers and fairness in career advancement.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/s...ents/rc_seg-st_20070208_migliore-work_en.html
 
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Actually, women in the workplace causes drama, and oftentimes extramarital affairs.
This is also contradiction of papal teachings such as Casti Connubi.
 
I suggest you trust God. He gave us 1 day in 7 as a break for a reason; the remaining 6 days are in his hands. If you go to Mass on Sunday, I firmly believe he will take care of your financial needs the rest of the week. Besides, maybe poverty is your vocation
And I firmly believe that some of us found out the hard way that he won’t. Plus, there’s a difference between “poverty” (as a vocation) and “starvation” or “homelessness.” And you can bet if you turned down work (even if it involved working on Sunday), you’re not going to be eligible to get any help, even from the church.
 
I doubt it. The church is HIGHLY SYMPATHETIC to those who shun the world, and give Sunday to God.
 
Actually, women in the workplace causes drama, and oftentimes extramarital affairs.
This is also contradiction of papal teachings such as Casti Connubi.
Wait, so now you’re claiming that no women should work, ever?
 
Nice exaggeration.

I said women in the workplace cause drama, and oftentimes affairs, which is true. I work in a restaurant, it is a constant nuisance, the dramatic antics of the women.

Women work at home - the domestic industry - doing dishes, making food, feeding children, cleaning, having babies, decorating the house, educating children, etc - women have plenty of fun things to do at home that won’t stress them out and won’t harm their natural femininity.
 
PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR JUSTICE AND PEACE

COMPENDIUM
OF THE SOCIAL DOCTRINE
OF THE CHURCH

d. Women and the right to work
  1. The feminine genius is needed in all expressions in the life of society, therefore the presence of women in the workplace must also be guaranteed. The first indispensable step in this direction is the concrete possibility of access to professional formation. The recognition and defence of women’s rights in the context of work generally depend on the organization of work, which must take into account the dignity and vocation of women, whose “true advancement … requires that labour should be structured in such a way that women do not have to pay for their advancement by abandoning what is specific to them”.[636] This issue is the measure of the quality of society and its effective defence of women’s right to work.
The persistence of many forms of discrimination offensive to the dignity and vocation of women in the area of work is due to a long series of conditioning that penalizes women, who have seen “their prerogatives misrepresented” and themselves “relegated to the margins of society and even reduced to servitude”.[637] These difficulties, unfortunately, have not been overcome, as is demonstrated wherever there are situations that demoralize women, making them objects of a very real exploitation. An urgent need to recognize effectively the rights of women in the workplace is seen especially under the aspects of pay, insurance and social security.[638]

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/p...-dott-soc_en.html#Women and the right to work
 
I said women in the workplace cause drama, and oftentimes affairs, which is true. I work in a restaurant, it is a constant nuisance, the dramatic antics of the women.
Trust me, I’ve been in the workplace for a while, and I could say the same about many men. Drama is a problem whenever you put a bunch of people in the same place. Welcome to human nature. (As a side note, I’ve often found certain men will claim “drama” any time a woman makes an issue that they don’t personally think is important.)

As far as stress…you’re joking, right? Go have a chat with a few stay at home mothers about stress and fun and things like that. You sound like someone who has an extremely idealized version of what being a woman is like.
 
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Oh please. Women cause drama and cause men to unzip their pants?

I assure you, as someone who was a manager, men, especially young men can be just as, if not more dramatic, than women. At least with young women, I rarely had to tell them to keep the scatological humor to a bare minimum.

How are women, in your opinion, who are not married and does not wish to live under her parent’s roof at 20 or 30 or 40 supposed to live?

Jesus? The church? No.

Work did not “stress me out” more than any job would any person. I loved the last job I had, which was helping students get their degrees. I was often on the phone with gasp men, counseling them on what classes to take, and what opportunities they could seek. It was good work, and I did a good job.

God gave me gifts that made me REALLY, REALLY good at that work. I advised my gasp male co-workers often. There was no drama and we all kept our pants on.

Also, don’t forget, the church has made and is making saints of MANY working women. Bl. Chiara was a mother and a doctor.

It is not the church that teaches women should not be in the workplace, it’s you.
 
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Oh please. Women cause drama and cause men to unzip their pants?

I assure you, as someone who was a manager, men, especially young men can be just as, if not more dramatic, than women. At least with young women, I rarely had to tell them to keep the scatological humor to a bare minimum.

How are women, in your opinion, who are not married and does not wish to live under her parent’s roof at 20 or 30 or 40 supposed to live?

Jesus? The church? No.

Work did not “stress me out” more than any job would any person. I loved the last job I had, which was helping students get their degrees. I was often on the phone with gasp men, counseling them on what classes to take, and what opportunities they could seek. It was good work, and I did a good job.

God gave me gifts that made me REALLY, REALLY good at that work. I advised my gasp male co-workers often. There was no drama and we all kept our pants on.

Also, don’t forget, the church has made and is making saints of MANY working women. Bl. Chiara was a mother and a doctor.

It is not the church that teaches women should not be in the workplace, it’s you.

Exactly.
 
i have not read all the replies.

anyone who believes women should not wear jeans, pants, slacks,

has rocks in their head. to be blunt.

ever seen how women of different cultures dress?

its incredibly culturecentric to espouse dress or skirt only.

its alao incredibly first world problem to stipulate x y or z dress. the vatican does have a standard of dress or pants for both sexes because its the vatican. but you can be assured mother theresas poor of rome were never turned away because they were in rags and smelt.

sorry no mass today because you poor homeless person only has a sleeveless top,

or you of x culture are wearing xy or z

Jesus was for the poor, exactly those who could only afford an old garment, probably fiull of wear and tear.
 
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Look up St. Gianna Molla.

Wife.

Mother.

Doctor who worked outside her home; I surmise that, as a pediatrician, she may likely worked on Sundays from time to time. Unless she could schedule her patients’ illnesses otherwise.

Canonized saint.

If I could figure out how to upload a picture, I have one of her in (gasp) pants.
 
But that just proves there are appropriate and inappropriate things to wear. For instance, it isn’t appropriate to wear a three piece suit to a pool party. Likewise it isn’t appropriate to wear a swimsuit to Mass. If you wore jeans to honor the dead at his funeral what should we wear to honor God? Anything we want doesn’t seem like a good answer to that question.
When I was growing up in rural WA, my dad always wore his “good” jeans to church (Assemblies of God). His work jeans were like the ripped up ones you see at the store–except his had started out whole, had been shredded by work and then patched by my mom. So, for church, he’d wear his “good” jeans (which were immaculate), maybe a sweater, and his cowboy boots (those being his dress shoes). My mom, believe it or not, believed in ironing jeans, which happened every Sunday…This outfit was a big step up from his work clothes, which consisted of: those ripped jeans (filthy when he came home from the woods), wool long underwear during the winter, a logger shirt, perhaps a wool coat, a ballcap (perhaps STIHL?), and logging boots. The latter inevitably had metal spikes in the bottom.

My dad did have a suit, but that was reserved for a) weddings b) funerals and c) high school graduation when he was on the school board. I saw it maybe three times my entire childhood.
 
I remember a story from my childhood. At our church, most men wore suit and tie to Sunday morning service.

We had one man. He was not well off - his family was not lacking, but they didn’t have a lot of extra, and I think what they did have was being saved for educational expenses for his children. He was also an unusual build. Extremely broad-shouldered to start, plus a very muscular build from manual labor, but rather short. No way he’s have been able to wear an off-the-rack suit, even with tailoring.

He wore a shirt, tie, and slacks to church. I know at one point the pastor admonished him for not wearing a suit like the other men. I thought that was wrong - I’d rather see him spend that money seeing to the welfare of his family than looking nice for church.
 
He wore a shirt, tie, and slacks to church. I know at one point the pastor admonished him for not wearing a suit like the other men. I thought that was wrong - I’d rather see him spend that money seeing to the welfare of his family than looking nice for church.
Wow. That’s so wrong.

James 2 says:

“1 My brethren, show no partiality as you hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. 2 For if a man with gold rings and in fine clothing comes into your assembly, and a poor man in shabby clothing also comes in, 3 and you pay attention to the one who wears the fine clothing and say, “Have a seat here, please,” while you say to the poor man, “Stand there,” or, “Sit at my feet,” 4 have you not made distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts?”

“15 If a brother or sister is ill-clad and in lack of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit?”
 
Wow. That’s so wrong.
At the very least I suspect it was middle-class cluelessness rather than malice. In a church where most people worked a 9-5 professional job that made good money, I don’t think it occurred to the pastor that a working man might find a suit to be an expense not in the budget.
 
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