What is common core?

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English and Language Arts is not only limited to English classes. Common Core standards are implemented cross-curricularly.
 
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Just throwing out there that I have 3 years of an elementary education degree, which is what I was working on before student loans got the best of me and I ended up enlisting in 1995. Granted that was back during the whole language fiasco, but I know what cross-curriculum standards are. I don’t need students in school to understand that. (Expert? No, but I’m educated enough to know that LA is used across the spectrum, which is what makes my BIL’s observations as a tenured English professor a bit disturbing.)

However, you’re not instructed by CC standards in what to teach in the same way math teachers are - at least that’s what I’m getting by review of the standards.Common Core does not dictate your Civics curriculum or how you will teach it, just how you’ll implement the LA portion on a day to day basis.
 
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TCB creates and maintains the Advanced Placement curriculum and tests. My point is that they aren’t just some random for-profit ed group. They have proven their competence over the course of several decades.
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The AP tests & curriculum, SATs, GMAT, GREs, etc were all developed by educators and pushed by educators once there was a conciseness.

Common Core may have been developed by educators, but it was rushed out by politicians.

Big difference.
 
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I have never understood why the Common Core standards are perceived as threatening by so many people. Perhaps it is because I am a teacher and I have first hand knowledge about how these things are translated into curriculum.
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They’re not “threatening”. They’re just showing no improvement in education standings. They’re not delivering on the promise. No one feels “threatened”. They’re asking for returns and no one so far has reliably produced them.
 
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mrsdizzyd:
I have never understood why the Common Core standards are perceived as threatening by so many people. Perhaps it is because I am a teacher and I have first hand knowledge about how these things are translated into curriculum.
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They’re not “threatening”. They’re just showing no improvement in education standings. They’re not delivering on the promise. No one feels “threatened”. They’re asking for returns and no one so far has reliably produced them.
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My wife is a teacher, my mother-in-law is a teacher, my cousin is a teacher, my aunt is a teacher, both of my grandmothers were teachers, etc.

They all have negative things to say about Common Core.

Again, even my daughter’s public school principal isn’t a fan of Common Core.

The major problem with Common Core is that it’s being forced into schools by non-educators and sometimes the implementation is even being forced by non-educators.

Are there schools & districts where Common Core is working? I would imagine the answer is yes. Perhaps your school / district is one of them. But are there places where Common Core is failing? Yes.
 
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The Anti-CC movement has different camps to be sure. However, the alarmism, charges of CC being antithetical to religion, and claims of Obama administration conspiracy were definitely a fear response.
 
I have friends who are teachers, my BIL is a professor (and has seen marked decline in the last 20 years), I have lots of friends who are parents - and I’ve heard all the same things you have.

Like I said, surely states are dropping it for a reason.

I’d like to see one state that has seen an improvement in performance since this was unleashed on the States.
 
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The Anti-CC movement has different camps to be sure. However, the alarmism, charges of CC being antithetical to religion, and claims of Obama administration conspiracy were definitely a fear response.
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No one - or at least I can speak for myself - is talking about any of that here.

I’m talking about performance results and how we measure up both as independent states and as a nation.

Where’s the delivery of the promises?
 
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mrsdizzyd:
The Anti-CC movement has different camps to be sure. However, the alarmism, charges of CC being antithetical to religion, and claims of Obama administration conspiracy were definitely a fear response.
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No one - or at least I can speak for myself - is talking about any of that here.

I’m talking about performance results and how we measure up both as independent states and as a nation.

Where’s the delivery of the promises?
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People pulled back on CC while it was still being implemented and before any data could be collected, so I guess we’ll never know…
 
CC has been around more than long enough for data - if indeed positive data existed - to speak for itself.

It was nationally enacted in 2009, but I believe it was being used before then in some places. Some kids have had this almost their entire school career at this point.

Any state seen year to year improvement among the kids who have always had it?
 
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Oh I also have negative things that say about CC. Don’t get me wrong. I just think there are bigger problems impacting education at this time.
 
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mrsdizzyd:
The Anti-CC movement has different camps to be sure. However, the alarmism, charges of CC being antithetical to religion, and claims of Obama administration conspiracy were definitely a fear response.
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No one - or at least I can speak for myself - is talking about any of that here.

I’m talking about performance results and how we measure up both as independent states and as a nation.

Where’s the delivery of the promises?
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People pulled back on CC while it was still being implemented and before any data could be collected, so I guess we’ll never know…
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That’s because people who were against it from the beginning are fans of subsidiarity, esp in education. There are a great number of people who believe education decisions should be local (state and school district), and not national.
 
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Oh I also have negative things that say about CC. Don’t get me wrong. I just think there are bigger problems impacting education at this time.
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If performance is suffering and taxpayer money is being wasted to use something that doesn’t work, I’d say as a taxpayer it’s a massive issue. Yes, we have other problems, but this is at the national level, and it concerns a very large number of people across the country.
 
The standards were not fully implemented in my state until 2013 and even then, some districts didn’t really emphasize CC. So far there has been improvement in Math and English, but it has not been determined whether or not the standards are the cause. Ed research does not move this quickly.
 
No, no research does. But if something positive was showing, people would be showcasing it, if for no other reason than to save face. I’ve not heard one state say “yes, we’re seeing signs this may be effective”.
 
Well, within my state the score increases were publicized and published. Again, no causations have been attached to the data. It’s just raw at this point.
 
It’s pretty easy to make deductions.

Standards were at point A prior.

They’ve fallen/risen to point B.

The student population has/has not changed by X percent.

Raw data can be telling. Even medicine acknowledges that. It’s not always accurate, no. But I maintain that if fabulous results were being seen across the board, we wouldn’t have a CC problem.
 
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Domer:
Aren’t you glad you asked?
Education questions are pretty contentious around here.
You’re doing cyber-school, right?
 
Well, I don’t know what to tell you except that it doesn’t work that way within education. In my state we have only been under our new standards since 2013. Implementation was spotty. There were and continue to be changes as the legislature tries to appease critics. We have had to scrap and redo the final exams that went with the standards because of issues with alignment. The current tests are still problematic.

We are a very long way from having any reliable longitudinal studies published.

In spite of it all, our Math and English scores are trending upward. Modest growth, but growth nonetheless.
 
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