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That is not a tautology. That’s pathetic.
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The difference is that the question of what matter is, is being investigated. I’m sure you must have heard of CERN?As to your question, the person who said “God is a Spirit” was correct. It is true, defining “Spirit” is a problem. However, consider that, when broken down to the barest, tiniest, indivisible pieces, “What is matter” is a similarly difficult (if not impossible) question to answer, and at some point (after every specific expression of matter, such as protons, etc., have been defined) one will reach the point to where there are no other terms to define it on its own merits rather than by relative terms such as what it does or what forms it takes, etc., which would be like answering your question with: “The Creator of the Universe”. Let’s face it: If the only meaningful way to define something is by saying what it’s made of or why it is what it is, which is your implication, then logically we’re going to eventually have the same problem defining matter (and, in turn, defining everything made of matter, since ultimately that means that such forms are just as mysterious/inexplicable when one gets down to the fundamental question). Or, if matter itself is divisible into something “nonmatter”, we will have the same problem defining those divided parts, and so on and so on–it is logically inevitible that at some point what I’m saying will be true and we will reach the point ot where we must answer: “I have no meaningful terms for that in and of itself. It just is what it is.” So the existence of things we cannot really define in the “what is it?” manner is fully precedented by applying logical inevitability to the scientifically observable reality in which we live.
Blessings in Christ,
KindredSoul
Matter and energy are transmuttable. Matter and energy have wave and particle components. This is difficult to understand, but at least the question is being addressed!
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You sound like my kind of philosopher… I had similar thoughts about the Quantum Hologram. I don’t think this forum is the place to expound them though.Let me add a few things to my above post (since I am not allowed to edit), maybe this will help to the OP.
God is the Infinite Eternal Being that everything exists within. This is how God is omnipotent, in that it contains within it all force/power, Omniscient in that all knowledge that can be known is within it, omnipresent in that it is everywhere, being that everything is inside of it.
The Holy Ghost as the bible calls Him is God in true form, the universe is an emanation of God. Much like the light on earth is of the Sun, it is not the Sun itself.
Its a very complex subject, and we can not fully comprehend God, though we can comprehend the Laws of God, such as physics for the material world, but we cannot fully comprehend God, as you need to be outside of something to observe it to truly understand it, and nothing can be outside of the All aka God.
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I am a self motivating automaton constructed from protein, water and electrolyes, based on information contained in a self replicating nucleic acid molecule, a transitional phase in a nested cascade.
What is God. In those kind of verifiable terms?/QUOTE]
The Creator of a self motivating automaton constructed from protein, water and electrolyes, based on information contained in a self replicating nucleic acid molecule, a transitional phase in a nested cascade.
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I’m interested in this, but I don’t have time to do it right at the moment. I will respond to you though…
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The Creator of a self motivating automaton constructed from protein, water and electrolyes, based on information contained in a self replicating nucleic acid molecule, a transitional phase in a nested cascade.
Oh I see… Yes, very droll…
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In spite of your insulting manner to an adequately answered question I will try to make the question clearer.
Do you believe that there is such a thing as an absolute truth?
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Adequately answered?
The answer was so utterly presposterous and without merit that I took offense at being treated frivolously and responded in kind. If you seriously thought it was adequately answered then I apologise and will try to make allowances in future.
I don’t know what you mean by absolute truth. An example might help.
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You are posting in a philosophy forum and you do not have a concept of an absolute truth?
Well we are where we are. Ok let us start with a simple one. Do you believe that the concept of 2 + 2 = 4 is true, everywhere and always has been true and always will be true. Try thinking in the terms of objects now rather than the number symbols themselves, this may free your mind a bit.
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Correct. I’m a scientist, not a philosopher.
I think that committing one’s self to that line of reasoning would be folly. I don’t see any way to collate evidence to back that up.
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That is fair enough. I am sorry to have wasted your time. If you ever do, however get to the philosophical concept of truth, give me a shout and we could talk.
Again my apologies.
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My friend, I think you are missing the point of absolute truth when you ask things like “the concept of 2+2=4.” We are all one, there are no “individual numbers.” 2+2=1, because it is all part of the whole. 1 is the number of our infinite universe, and there are infinite decimal numbers between 0 and 1.
0 is before everything, its non existence. Once started, there are infinite number of decimals to 1 and -1, because 1 and -1 can never be reached.
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But what are those waves and particles? And once we have found out what they are made of, what is that made of? I addressed this in the original post: Eventually we arrive at the same problem.
It doesn’t matter if the question is being investigated, or if attempts are being made to address it. There is a certain point, even in the material world, at which asking: “What is X?” is impossible to answer in the way that you want us to answer that question regarding God. That we are trying to understand matter in an empirically observable way doesn’t mean there is an answer to be found, just as the fact that we can’t empirically investigate God doesn’t mean there’s not an answer (at least not any less so than there is for Matter/energy/particles). In both cases, there may simply not be an answer any more “meaningful” than “X just is what X is.”
Blessings in Christ,
KindredSoul
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There is a very good procession, based on a common understnding of the concept of absolute truth, to a philisophical discussion of something in existance other than creature, not exactly a God mind you but enough of a concept that leads one to wonder.
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There is a theory that our universe banged because of 2 multiverses colliding. This very well could be true, but it doesn’t answer anything about creation. What created those multiverses for them to collide and produce ours? If you read tales of creation, they all allegorically show EXACTLY what science theorizes. In the bible story it says that in the beginning the universe was void and without form. This is true, science now acknowledges that the** “ether” **is the form of matter that all matter is created from by changing in vibration, and the ether in space does not have any type of form, it can’t bee seen or detected, but it can be moved through so it is there. There is no such thing as “nothing”. So to say that the universe was void and formless, and then “there was light” aka a BANG of light, is exactly what science theorizes.
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I see…
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Hence I gave the instruction to think in terms of objects rather than numbers, this takes away the need to confuse the matter with numbers and concepts such as parts of the whole:shrug: It is ok not all are to this point of reasoning.
Thanks for the (name removed by moderator)ut however, it is a way of thought:thumbsup:
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