What is God?

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Moonstruck888 said:
All you have done is utter platitudes. Your whole position is ridiculous. If I admit I have to make the assumption that reality exists, I have to accept that science doesn’t yield meaningful answers? I’m sorry but that is utter balls.
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Eh…nobody asked you if “reality” existed. Its a shame that you cannot accept when your wrong.
 
MindOverMatter2 said:
Eh…nobody asked you if “reality” existed. Its a shame that you cannot accept when your wrong.
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You implied that if I can’t prove reality exists then the scientific method doesn’t work. That’s the silliest thing I’ve ever heard. If reality doesn’t exist, then this conversation isn’t even occurring.

I notice too that you’ve still not confirmed nor denied whether or not you are a solipsist. If I’m talking to a madman, that would explain quite a bit about this conversation.
 
Moonstruck888 said:
You implied that if I can’t prove reality exists then the scientific method doesn’t work. That’s the silliest thing I’ve ever heard. If reality doesn’t exist, then this conversation isn’t even occurring.
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Even if this conversation is not occuring in reality. It is occuring.

The nature of its occurence then would be outside of reality.

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JohnDamian said:
Even if this conversation is not occuring in reality. It is occuring.

The nature of its occurence then would be outside of reality.

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ROTFL!!!

Either way, assuming MindOverMatter doesn’t disagree with your statement that:

“By such a concession you understand that as we claim that God is outside the observable universe we cannot offer you any scientific or “empirical” evidence for his existence; outside of his causes (which you no doubt would challenge).”

This conversation is over now with the matter, from my point of view anyway, resolved.
 
Moonstruck888 said:
You implied that if I can’t prove reality exists then the scientific method doesn’t work. That’s the silliest thing I’ve ever heard. If reality doesn’t exist, then this conversation isn’t even occurring.
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You are either being deceptive, or perhaps you cannot read. Or maybe you simply have not the intelligence or the honesty to see the difference between saying that physical reality in particular as we understand it through science may be an illusion, as opposed to saying that “reality in general” as an act is an illusion. The former does not necessitate the latter.
 
MindOverMatter2 said:
You are either being deceptive, or perhaps you cannot read. Or maybe you simply have not the intelligence or the honesty to see the difference between saying that physical reality in particular as we understand it through science may be an illusion, as opposed to saying that “reality in general” as an act is an illusion. The former does not necessitate the latter.
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I do not think that reality whether viewed through science or viewed in any way whatsoever is an illusion except perhaps through the eyes of a solipsist, whom I would consider to be insane.
 
Moonstruck888 said:
Thank You.

That’s all I wanted you to admit.
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I guess hell will freeze over before you admit that science is not the only method through which we can obtain certain knowledge about reality. Metaphysics gives us certain knowledge, while science merely gives us probabilistic knowledge that could be dis-proven at any time.
 
MindOverMatter2 said:
I guess hell will freeze over before you admit that science is not the only method through which we can obtain certain knowledge about reality. Metaphysics gives us certain knowledge, while science merely gives us probabilistic knowledge that could be dis-proven at any time.
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That isn’t a weakness in science. That is it’s strength. The fact that it is constantly under review and constantly updated and modified as new observational data and experimental methods become available.

And you’re right. Hell will freeze over first.
 
Moonstruck888 said:
I do not think that reality whether viewed through science or viewed in any way whatsoever is an illusion except perhaps through the eyes of a solipsist, whom I would consider to be insane.
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A pitiful response. I don’t care about what you think. We were discussing what we can know. But you are not here to learn or understand, which is made evident by the way you misrepresent peoples arguments and then accuse them of insanity. Now that’s what i call insane!😃
 
Moonstruck888 said:
That isn’t a weakness in science. That is it’s strength. The fact that it is constantly under review and constantly updated and modified as new observational data and experimental methods become available.

And you’re right. Hell will freeze over first.
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You still don’t get it. I was not criticizing science, but rather i was putting science in its proper place. The scientific method is for the study of physical reality; nothing more. You are trying to turn it in to something its not.
 
Moonstruck888 said:
And you’re right. Hell will freeze over first.
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I can know that i exist without the scientific method. You obviously require scientific evidence before you are willing to acknowledge your own existence.
Ah…wait a minute… who am i talking to?

Like i said. You can acquire certain knowledge without the scientific method.
 
I’m not really interested in wading through this entire thread so I apologize if this has already been said. “What is God?” The best answer is Jesus Christ. There is a reason Hegel referred to Christianity as the “Revealed and Absolute Religion”. All you need to know about God is revealed in the New Testament Cannon compiled by the Roman Catholic Church and interpreted by that same Church founded by Christ under the authority of the pope who can claim apostolic succession. It’s revealed in simple metaphors that a child could understand and yet has been the substance of philosophical inquiry for the past 2,000 years.
 
MindOverMatter2 said:
You still don’t get it. I was not criticizing science, but rather i was putting science in its proper place. The scientific method is for the study of physical reality; nothing more. You are trying to turn it in to something its not.
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Until someone can demonstrate to me not only that there is any other reality than physical reality, but also that we can have knowledge of what’s outside the observable Universe, I plan to stick to that position…
 
Moonstruck888 said:
Until someone can demonstrate to me not only that there is any other reality than physical reality, but also that we can have knowledge of what’s outside the observable Universe, I plan to stick to that position…
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Can you demonstrate to me that physical reality objectively exists?
 
MindOverMatter2 said:
I can know that i exist without the scientific method. You obviously require scientific evidence before you are willing to acknowledge your own existence.
Ah…wait a minute… who am i talking to?

Like i said. You can acquire certain knowledge without the scientific method.
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Without the scientific method, how could I define what I am in anything but subjective terms?
 
Moonstruck888 said:
Haven’t we already been here about two pages ago?
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You didn’t demonstrate to me that physical reality was not merely an appearance. Thus it is dishonest to then claim that we must think that physical reality is synonymous to reality. Why? The only certain knowledge that we have is our minds. The dishonesty of your position is made clear when earlier you was willing to question the existence of time.

I tell you what, you can stay in your delusion that science is the only method of gaining true knowledge.

You keep chopping and changing to suit yourself.

Please don’t respond to this as i will not be responding.
 
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