What is Hell?

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What do you believe “Hell” to be?

Eternal Torment

Death/Annihilation

Eternal Separation from God

Purgatory/Temporal Punishment–without the Possibility of Eternal Punishment

Purgatory/Temporal Punishment–with the Possibility of Eternal Punishment

Other-Please Explain in Comments

Please take the poll. All comments are welcome

Anna
 
What do you believe “Hell” to be?

Eternal Torment

Death/Annihilation

Eternal Separation from God

Purgatory/Temporal Punishment–without the Possibility of Eternal Punishment

Purgatory/Temporal Punishment–with the Possibility of Eternal Punishment

Please take the poll. All comments are welcome

Anna
Eternal separation from God.

Purgatory is only for those bound for heaven. It is the final cleansing, not a second chance.
 
Eternal separation from God.

Purgatory is only for those bound for heaven. It is the final cleansing, not a second chance.
You and Roman_Catholic posted a comment while I was creating the Poll.

Would you take the Poll?

Thank you,
Anna
 
What do you believe “Hell” to be?

Eternal Torment

Death/Annihilation

Eternal Separation from God (with the exception of the wrath of God)

Purgatory/Temporal Punishment–without the Possibility of Eternal Punishment

Purgatory/Temporal Punishment–with the Possibility of Eternal Punishment

Please take the poll. All comments are welcome

Anna
Hi Anna,

I have had family members and friends who have died without faith in Christ. Therefore, I started to look for alternative views from the historic traditional view of Hell as being eternal punishment. I considered the unorthodox view of annihilation, and in my mind it gave me peace for those that I love who died without Christ.

However, I believe the historic view of Hell as being a place where justice is served within eternal punishment is correct. People receive justice and not punitive punishment. Divine perfect justice is served in Hell to the glory of God. The reason why I have moved away from a view of annihilation:

I believe Christ bore the penalty for our sins, therefore if we reduce our penalty for our sins with a view of annihilation; it reduces the value and cost in what Christ has done for us. IMO… God is more glorified in the historic traditional view of the eternal wrath of God being poured out on unredeemed sinners. Emotionally, I wish that universalism is true, or at least annihilation is true. But scripturally, I don’t think universalism or annihilation can be true.
 
If it is separation from god would that mean i am in hell right now?
 
Eternal separation from God.

Purgatory is only for those bound for heaven. It is the final cleansing, not a second chance.
Just throwing out possibilities. 😉 I’ve heard some very strange ideas on Hell and temporal punishment.

Anna
 
If it is separation from god would that mean i am in hell right now?
You are not separated from God. His grace is at work in your life even if you are not aware of it.

Electrons are not collapsing into nuclei.
 
There is no separation from God, not even in hell.
God is omnipresent and that of course includes hell where God will glorify Himself through His eternal justice.
 
Could someone please post the official Catholic position on Hell and punishment? Do Catholics have freedom to believe contrary to the official view on Hell and punishment?
 
There is no separation from God, not even in hell.
God is omnipresent and that of course includes hell where God will glorify Himself through His eternal justice.
That’s the bibilcal answer.
 
Could someone please post the official Catholic position on Hell and punishment? Do Catholics have freedom to believe contrary to the official view on Hell and punishment?
IV. HELL
1033 We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: “He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.”[610] Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren.[611] To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self- exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “hell.”

1034 Jesus often speaks of “Gehenna” of “the unquenchable fire” reserved for those who to the end of their lives refuse to believe and be converted, where both soul and body can be lost.[612] Jesus solemnly proclaims that he “will send his angels, and they will gather . . . all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire,”[613] and that he will pronounce the condemnation: “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire!”[614]

1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, “eternal fire.”[615] The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.

1036 The affirmations of Sacred Scripture and the teachings of the Church on the subject of hell are a call to the responsibility incumbent upon man to make use of his freedom in view of his eternal destiny. They are at the same time an urgent call to conversion: “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.”[616] Since we know neither the day nor the hour, we should follow the advice of the Lord and watch constantly so that, when the single course of our earthly life is completed, we may merit to enter with him into the marriage feast and be numbered among the blessed, and not, like the wicked and slothful servants, be ordered to depart into the eternal fire, into the outer darkness where “men will weep and gnash their teeth.”[617]

1037 God predestines no one to go to hell;[618] for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want “any to perish, but all to come to repentance”:[619] Father, accept this offering from your whole family. Grant us your peace in this life, save us from final damnation, and count us among those you have chosen.[620]
 
Could someone please post the official Catholic position on Hell and punishment?
1033 We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: “He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.” Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren.To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “hell.”
1034 Jesus often speaks of “Gehenna” of “the unquenchable fire” reserved for those who to the end of their lives refuse to believe and be converted, where both soul and body can be lost. Jesus solemnly proclaims that he “will send his angels, and they will gather . . . all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire,” and that he will pronounce the condemnation: “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire!”
1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, “eternal fire.” The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.
1036 The affirmations of Sacred Scripture and the teachings of the Church on the subject of hell are a call to the responsibility incumbent upon man to make use of his freedom in view of his eternal destiny. They are at the same time an urgent call to conversion: “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.”
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Since we know neither the day nor the hour, we should follow the advice of the Lord and watch constantly so that, when the single course of our earthly life is completed, we may merit to enter with him into the marriage feast and be numbered among the blessed, and not, like the wicked and slothful servants, be ordered to depart into the eternal fire, into the outer darkness where "men will weep and gnash their teeth."
1037 God predestines no one to go to hell; for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want “any to perish, but all to come to repentance”:
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Father, accept this offering
from your whole family.
Grant us your peace in this life,
save us from final damnation,
and count us among those you have chosen.
scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a12.htm#IV

Eternal separation from God is punishment.

God bless
 
Could someone please post the official Catholic position on Hell and punishment? Do Catholics have freedom to believe contrary to the official view on Hell and punishment?
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a12.htm#1036

DEFINITION OF vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a12.htm#1033

It’s not about “having to” believe this or that, it is about deepening your understanding. It’s not terribly safe to say we “know” this is the reality of anything like that…It sounds terribly arrogant! What we can do is look to Sacred Scripture to glean an understanding of what it is.
 
Hell is a place where souls go after death who have died in the state of actual mortal sin. St Faustina was shown a vision of Hell, where she described seven tortures:
"Today, I was led by an angel to the Chasms of Hell. It is a place of great torture; how awesomely large and extensive it is! The kinds of tortures I saw:
The First Torture that constitutes hell is:
The loss of God.
The Second is:
Perpetual remorse of conscience.
The Third is
That one’s condition will never change.
The Fourth is:
The fire that will penetrate the soul without destroying it. A terrible suffering since it is a purely spiritual fire, lit by God’s anger.
The Fifth Torture is:
Continual darkness and a terrible suffocating smell, and despite the darkness, the devils and the souls of the damned see each other and all the evil, both of others and their own.
The Sixth Torture is:
The constant company of Satan.
The Seventh Torture is:
Horrible despair, hatred of God, vile words, curses and blasphemies.
These are the Tortures suffered by all the damned together, but that is not the end of the sufferings.
The amount of suffering a soul undergoes is determined by God’s mercy - it depends on the gravity of their sins. Therefore no two souls in Hell undergo exactly the same sufferings.

Zebedee
 
scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a12.htm#IV
1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, “eternal fire.” The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.
Thanks for the official view. It appears all Catholics need to answer the poll according to official Catholic teaching. I would say the historic Protestants and conservative contemporary Christians would be in line with the offiical Catholic view with some modification. I believe there may be some differences of how God will pour out His wrath upon sinners in Hell. Maybe Edwin can educate us on how propitation and the wrath of God can vary in views with sincere Christians. I still hope universalism or annihilation is true, but I don’t think so.
 
IV. HELL

1033 We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: “He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.” Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren.To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “hell.”

1034 Jesus often speaks of “Gehenna” of “the unquenchable fire” reserved for those who to the end of their lives refuse to believe and be converted, where both soul and body can be lost. Jesus solemnly proclaims that he “will send his angels, and they will gather . . . all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire,” and that he will pronounce the condemnation: “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire!”

1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, “eternal fire.” The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.

1036 The affirmations of Sacred Scripture and the teachings of the Church on the subject of hell are a call to the responsibility incumbent upon man to make use of his freedom in view of his eternal destiny. They are at the same time an urgent call to conversion: “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.”

Since we know neither the day nor the hour, we should follow the advice of the Lord and watch constantly so that, when the single course of our earthly life is completed, we may merit to enter with him into the marriage feast and be numbered among the blessed, and not, like the wicked and slothful servants, be ordered to depart into the eternal fire, into the outer darkness where “men will weep and gnash their teeth.”

1037 God predestines no one to go to hell; for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want “any to perish, but all to come to repentance”:

Father, accept this offering
from your whole family.
Grant us your peace in this life,
save us from final damnation,
and count us among those you have chosen.
scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a12.htm#IV

Eternal separation from God is punishment.

God bless
I’m still a bit confused about the Catholic beliefs on hell. You mentioned both eternal fire and separation from God.

Do those condemned to Hell suffer the physical torment of eternal fire?

If they are separated from God, where do they reside, and what do they do throughout eternity?

Anna
 
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