What is Islam?

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Booklover:
Have you never heard of: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?😃
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Well, I think the guy is right though. It is not guaranteed the identity of the authors. Only that those books were divinely inspired. What they believe, for some reason (“God” said so?), is that Jesus wrote a book.
 
Note:I have exams coming up next week and will only be poping in randomly when I can get a break, so I wouldn’t be answering much.

To answer your question booklover, you are correct; God hates the sin but not the sinner. And because God hates the sin, you hate it in order not to commit this sin. God is merciful in His dealings with sinful people. The story of pharaoh and Musa (as) is a perfect example of this. Pharaoh is called in the Quran the worst of creation because he declared himself God knowing full well that there existed a divine creator. Pharaoh calling himself God is a horrible insult to God; it is like walking up to the king of England and spiting in his face. Pharaoh’s disrespect is so much more worst then this and still God is merciful. He tells Musa (as) to go to pharaoh and speak to him gently and with kindness. God was willing to forgive pharaoh for his ingratitude while he was still alive on this earth, only if pharaoh repented and worshipped the One that created him.
It is a major sin to say that a certain person has no faith or that they have sinned. What is in their hearts is known only to God and you can not say anything about them. God ahs the sin of pride and loves the good deed of friendship. In my life I try to be friendly to all and get rid of any pride that might be in my heart.

wa salam
 
Oh by the way, the prophets didn’t get the message wrong. I said that after several generations the people added new things to the message and got it wrong, that is why God sends prophets and messengers. These are two different things, because a prophet is a righteous man chosen bu God to bring the people back to God. A messenger is a righteous man that is chosen by God to bring the people back to God but they were also given a book, which explains how to get back to God.
wa salam
 
Does 1300 years since Mohammed count as “several” generations?

Maybe your sacred scriptures are long overdue for another revision.
 
Booklover said:
**SO DO WE!:banghead: **
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I wouldn’t worry so much about it. You should realize by now that’s not their real concern. Whether or not they know we worship one God, it’s become a matter of preserving their own pride and wearing you down with repeated statements at this point.
 
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r.gonzales:
this is not the correct understanding of this verse and directly contradicts Allah’s command to prophet muhammad in the Quran to call to the way of his Lord with the wisdom and beautiful admonition, “call to the way of your Lord with the wisdom and the beautiful admonition and argue with them with that which is better. indeed your Lord is more knowledgeable of whoever strayed from His way and He is more knowledgeable of the guided.” (16:125).

my advise to you bro shamsery is to verify with the books of tafseer if your understanding of certain verses are correct or not.

peace.
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With due respect and regards,
It does not contradicts Allah’s command.
please take the trouble to read my other post and try to penetrate in. 16:125 is absolutely correct when you invite other to join with you in the siratul mustakim.
We can not show disregard to other faith.
 
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exoflare:
I wouldn’t worry so much about it. You should realize by now that’s not their real concern. Whether or not they know we worship one God, it’s become a matter of preserving their own pride and wearing you down with repeated statements at this point.
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Yes, it’s a complete waste of time!
 
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Booklover:
No, he is not doing any harm to me, but we believe in freedom of religion and as a Catholic I believe that the Catholic Church is the true religion.:amen:
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That is my point.
The Muslim is not doing any wrong by communicating his faith to you and he is not doing any wrong or crime by listening your faith, your findings.
We can enrich our knowledge by exchanging our views ideas in a congenial atmosphere, with a respect to each other, with due harmony.
Am I correct Sir,
Believe comes from the core of your heart and it is your eternal matter.
I respect your right to beleive.
** but what is our topic ? What Islam is?**

Can we talk on the subject please ?
 
This si the last time I am going to say this, someone said that i do not faith in God’s power beacuse I don’t believe He come to earth, took human form and died for mankinds sins. I replyed back by saying, I have such faith in God’s power that He does not die for us, become his creation and all that is needed for slavation is to repent because God is all powerful He forgives.

He is God; there is no god but He. He is the Knower of the unseen and the visible; He is the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate. He is God; there is no god but He. He is the King, the All-Holy, the All-Peace, the Guardian of the Faith, the All-Preserver, the All-Mighty, the All-Compeller, the All-Sublime. Glory be to God, above that they associate! He is God, the Creator, the Maker, the Shaper. To Him belong the Names Most Beautiful. All that is in the heavens and the earth magnifies Him; He is the Almighty, the All-Wise. (59:22-24)
 
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fatuma:
This si the last time I am going to say this, someone said that i do not faith in God’s power beacuse I don’t believe He come to earth, took human form and died for mankinds sins. I replyed back by saying, I have such faith in God’s power that He does not die for us, become his creation and all that is needed for slavation is to repent because God is all powerful He forgives.

He is God; there is no god but He. He is the Knower of the unseen and the visible; He is the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate. He is God; there is no god but He. He is the King, the All-Holy, the All-Peace, the Guardian of the Faith, the All-Preserver, the All-Mighty, the All-Compeller, the All-Sublime. Glory be to God, above that they associate! He is God, the Creator, the Maker, the Shaper. To Him belong the Names Most Beautiful. All that is in the heavens and the earth magnifies Him; He is the Almighty, the All-Wise. (59:22-24)
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With due respect, my questionm, ** What Islam is?** very basic question. Can you help me to get the answer, please?
 
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fatuma:
This si the last time I am going to say this, someone said that i do not faith in God’s power beacuse I don’t believe He come to earth, took human form and died for mankinds sins. I replyed back by saying, I have such faith in God’s power that He does not die for us, become his creation and all that is needed for slavation is to repent because God is all powerful He forgives.

He is God; there is no god but He. He is the Knower of the unseen and the visible; He is the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate. He is God; there is no god but He. He is the King, the All-Holy, the All-Peace, the Guardian of the Faith, the All-Preserver, the All-Mighty, the All-Compeller, the All-Sublime. Glory be to God, above that they associate! He is God, the Creator, the Maker, the Shaper. To Him belong the Names Most Beautiful. All that is in the heavens and the earth magnifies Him; He is the Almighty, the All-Wise. (59:22-24)
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Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah!:sleep:
 
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fatuma:
Oh by the way, the prophets didn’t get the message wrong. I said that after several generations the people added new things to the message and got it wrong, that is why God sends prophets and messengers.
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Fatuma,

You have to believe that Jesus was the worst prophet that ever lived, as everyone who heard Him believed that He claimed to be God! Even the people who didn’t believe Him thought that this is what He was claiming - that’s why He was crucified! Even secular historians of the era agree about this! It’s not a matter of the several authors of the New Testament being wrong - it’s a matter of His 12 Apostles, people who lived every day learning at His feet, completely distorting the teacher they left their families to follow! AND, they truly and actually believe that Jesus is God - 10 were martyred because this is exactly what they believed and they refused to renounce their belief, another committed suicide because he betrayed Jesus and felt guilty for the death of the Son of God, and the 12th lived out the rest of his days taking care of the Son of God’s Blessed Mother.

How do we know this? It’s good you asked! There are hundreds of people who learned from the Apostles who wrote down the teachings. There are thousands of people who learned from them who wrote down their teaching. Many of the original documents still exist today, verified by modern science, archeology, linguistic studies, and religious authorities. In order for your story to hold up, ALL OF THEM MUST HAVE BEEN DISTORTED IN **EXACTLY **THE SAME WAY. Doesn’t that strike you as a bit fishy? Doesn’t it strike you as odd that NO ONE claims that Jesus was “just a prophet” until some guy in a dessert 1,000 miles removed pops up and claims that he knows the “real Jesus”?!? If a New Yorker suddenly jumped up and claimed to know the “real Muhammad”, would you listen to him?!? What if he claimed that an angel told him? What if he claimed to be illiterate, even though those who know him claim that he can read and write? Wouldn’t that “prove” his story?

Can you see how absurd this is starting to get?

Was Jesus the worst prophet imaginable, did tens of thousands of documents all get “changed” in exactly the same way, or did He really claim to be God? **That **is the choice you have to make…

Shalom,
RyanL
 
greetings.
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Booklover:
Have you never heard of: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?😃
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yes, but their first, and only known names doesn’t exactly tell me who they were, where they were from, or the credibility of their testimonies with regards to jesus’ life and ministry. from what i remember, their identities are debated over and it isn’t known with surety who these four men were exactly…
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Booklover:
Excuse me for saying this, but I’ve never heard such poppycock!:rolleyes:
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ok, you tell me then. where in today’s bible is the gospel of jesus (not the gospel according to matthew, mark, luke or john)?
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Booklover:
Well, that may be what you believe, but it’s not what I believe!
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uhh… last i checked, this particular section of the forum was about islam - and this particular thread is about what islam is… so of course it is what i believe :rolleyes:.
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exoflare:
What they believe, for some reason (“God” said so?), is that Jesus wrote a book.
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not exactly… what we do believe is that jesus was revealed a book, similar to how moses was sent a book (the Torah) and muhammad was sent a book (the Quran).
 
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r.gonzales:
yes, but their first, and only known names doesn’t exactly tell me who they were, where they were from, or the credibility of their testimonies with regards to jesus’ life and ministry. from what i remember, their identities are debated over and it isn’t known with surety who these four men were exactly…
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“From what you remember”?!? This is the poorest scholarship I have ever seen brought to the table. You’re making a claim without any evidence based off of what you may or may not be recalling correctly. Bring a reliable source, or don’t bring up hogwash like this. Should I mention that Muhammad being the author of the Qur’an is being questioned, from what I remember?
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r.gonzales:
ok, you tell me then. where in today’s bible is the gospel of jesus (not the gospel according to matthew, mark, luke or john)?
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Jesus didn’t come to write a book. Jesus came to start a Church, and that Church has survived for 2000 years without contradicting herself on a binding matter of faith or morals for two millinia. This Church has bought billions of people to Jesus, and has taught the Good News that Jesus is God and salvation was won for us on the cross that day at Calvary - that is the Injil! That is the Gospel!!
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r.gonzales:
not exactly… what we do believe is that jesus was revealed a book, similar to how moses was sent a book (the Torah) and muhammad was sent a book (the Quran).
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Jesus was “revealed a book”?!? What evidence do you have for this? Is that in any historical testimony prior to a guy in a cave some 600 years and 1000 miles removed popped up and claimed to know the “real Jesus”? Was Elija revealed a book? Daniel? Adam? Elisha? Isaiah? They were all prophets; please tell us if *they *were all revealed a book, or if this was particular to Moses, Muhamad, Jesus, and Joseph Smith. Furthermore, if they were all “revealed a book”, and that book was “the word of God” which cannot be changed…why is it that you believe they were ALL changed? Do you have that little faith in the power of “the word of God”? Why was Jesus, the “second greatest prophet” such a failure? After all, the people He spoke to went off to start a religion that now comprises one third of all humans on the planet! How miserable a prophet was Jesus?

R.gonzales…you have some 'splaining to do!

RyanL
 
oops. sorry about that, i thought i hit edit, but i clicked on quote on my other post. :o
 
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