What is it about the Connecticut school shooter that drove him commit such an atrocity?

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We tend to take a psychological approach to the question (and often a psycho-pathological approach), assuming, “He must be ill”. In reality, however, I suggest it is a philosophical question, rather than a psychological one.

Suicide, and suicidal murder, seems to be a response to the essentially philosophical question of the suffering and purpose of life.
It may be both a psychological and a philosophical issue. After all, psychology has its roots partly in philosophy. And there is a type of depression called existential depression. Also, it is as much a psychological question as a philosophical one in that the behavior involves the functioning of the mind, apart from a psychopathological analysis.
 
Well, imagine this- a person’s life is filled with suffering and he has been victimized by the community. His possible responses could be:
  1. just put up with it,
  2. keep trying to make things better by adapting himself to social expectation, maybe get a menial job
  3. try to find something which alleviates his suffering (religion, computer games, drugs)
  4. suicide
  5. mass murder/suicide
The decision of which option to choose appears to be substantially a philosophical question (although no doubt influenced by psychological propensities). Most people, perhaps, would choose Options 2 or 3. A fair number choose Option 4. A very small percentage choose Option 5.
The decision to act is itself a function of the human mind, which includes affect, cognition, and drive; hence it is in the domain of psychology.
 
Anders Breivik may have been a lot of things, but I wouldn’t put ‘sane’ near the top of my list. Not if being diagnosed with anti-social personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder count for anything.

As for his different values, it only prompts the question: Even if you believe in free will (and I don’t), what’s more likely - that his values warped his psychology, or his psychology ultimately informed his values?
I agree- the question of whether psychology leads to philosophy, and philosophy leads to psychological character is complex. I think there is a circularity. If you are narcissistic, you might tend to favor radical individualism, and ‘supremacist’ philosophies. These, in turn, would nourish the narcissistic personality.

On the other hand, if a person has a particular personality tendency (e.g. emotional over-sensitivity), but the adopt an outlook which counters that (e.g. Stoicism, Skepticism), their personality could be bought more into balance. I suppose a narcissist or violent person might be tempered by something like Christianity of Buddhism.

But, unfortunately perhaps, people with difficulties often adopt philosophical outlooks which exacerbate those tendencies.
 
The decision to act is itself a function of the human mind, which includes affect, cognition, and drive; hence it is in the domain of psychology.
So you would regard ‘values’ and ‘beliefs’ as a legitimate subject of psychology (insofar as it is a function of the mind)?

So, ‘bad beliefs’ (e.g. religious or political extremism), could, in fact, be regarded as psychological ‘problems’?

But then, what is the scientific arbiter of what constitutes ‘bad beliefs’, or ‘bad value systems’? Is it merely social consensus?
 
So you would regard ‘values’ and ‘beliefs’ as a legitimate subject of psychology (insofar as it is a function of the mind)?

So, ‘bad beliefs’ (e.g. religious or political extremism), could, in fact, be regarded as psychological ‘problems’?

But then, what is the scientific arbiter of what constitutes ‘bad beliefs’, or ‘bad value systems’? Is it merely social consensus?
Most certainly values and beliefs are part of psychology. They are mainly part of social psychology and political psychology, and also social cognition, developmental psychology, psychology and religion, and the relatively new branch of positive psychology. Psychology as a field is so much more than the study of mental health and mental illness.

There need not be a value judgment attached to the study of beliefs. However, social norms and socialization are strong determinants.
 
I’m all for tighter regulations of guns. However, even the most fervent gun control advocate must admit that in a mass shooting such as this, guns per se are not the CAUSE of the behavior but rather one of the significant triggers (no pun intended) of a violent culture.
Of course guns aren’t a cause of the behavior. However, the love of guns is IMO a symptom of a harmful societal attitude, of skewed values.
 
Of course guns aren’t a cause of the behavior. However, the love of guns is IMO a symptom of a harmful societal attitude, of skewed values.
As I had mentioned in the earlier post, one may treat the symptoms to some effect. At the same time, the underlying origins of the disease should also be determined and treated.
 
**I’m sorry, but I have to disagree with some of the postings here. I have suffered from bi-polar disorder for many years with severe depression (suicidal thoughts) & have NEVER considered hurting another human life. My friend has aspergers & though it’s true he has trouble socializing with people. He’s not dangerous. **
**Has it occurred to anyone that this may very will be a case of partial or full demonic possession? Exorcisms are real, the devil & the fallen angels are real. And possessions do happen! **
Questions the media should be asking is if the shooter was surrounded by anything spiritually positive? Holy water? Crosses? Crucifixes? The Word? The Sacraments?
Evil spirits are real and may have played a role. Jesus cast demons out. St Paul said we’re dealing with principalities and powers. I would not dismiss this at all. The secular media would likely be skeptical. Even the Church is not going to jump to conclusions. There would have to be strong evidence beyond the evil of the act to lead to that conclusion.
 
Interesting thoughts from all. My opinion is that desensitization through the media and (especially) violent realistic video games are the cause. In days gone by the man would most likely simply have taken his own life. In todays culture he figured he was going to beat the high score of the last big shooting, Dave Grossman has done some especially good work on this topic in the past that’s worth a read for anyone with an interest in psychology.
 
Well, imagine this- a person’s life is filled with suffering and he has been victimized by the community. His possible responses could be:
  1. just put up with it,
  2. keep trying to make things better by adapting himself to social expectation, maybe get a menial job
  3. try to find something which alleviates his suffering (religion, computer games, drugs)
  4. suicide
  5. mass murder/suicide
The decision of which option to choose appears to be substantially a philosophical question (although no doubt influenced by psychological propensities). Most people, perhaps, would choose Options 2 or 3. A fair number choose Option 4. A very small percentage choose Option 5.
Mass/murder suicide may be an attempt to right a perceived wrong, to seek vengeance, but that sounds far different to me than resolving a philosophical question. 🤷
 
Evil spirits are real and may have played a role. Jesus cast demons out. St Paul said we’re dealing with principalities and powers. I would not dismiss this at all. The secular media would likely be skeptical. Even the Church is not going to jump to conclusions. There would have to be strong evidence beyond the evil of the act to lead to that conclusion.
**Absolutely right Miguel. The church would first rule out every possible case for mental illness. I would disagree with everyone who believes this was an emotional disorder like aspergers. A mental illness is completely different & is always the first/prime suspect when ruling out a partial or full demonic possession. However, in addition to what Miguel said about St. Paul; let’s remember that Jesus Christ Himself cast out many demons throughout the Gospels. And to think that demonic possession isn’t a problem in today’s society less than 2000 years later, would be foolish of us. Let us pray endlessly for God’s mercy & priests with great courage! **
 
Mass/murder suicide may be an attempt to right a perceived wrong, to seek vengeance, but that sounds far different to me than resolving a philosophical question. 🤷
I feel everyone engages in some kind of ‘philosophy’, even though they would not, in most cases, realise it. Perhaps a better way of expressing this is ‘attitudes towards the world and others arising out of beliefs and values’. Now, everyone has an ‘attitude towards the world and others’, which must arise out of some underlying ‘beliefs and values’. Therefore, everyone’s decisions is a result of a ‘philosophy’.

I suspect I am misappropriating the word ‘philosophy’ here. Is it right to say that ‘everyone has a philosophy’?
 
I feel everyone engages in some kind of ‘philosophy’, even though they would not, in most cases, realise it. Perhaps a better way of expressing this is ‘attitudes towards the world and others arising out of beliefs and values’. Now, everyone has an ‘attitude towards the world and others’, which must arise out of some underlying ‘beliefs and values’. Therefore, everyone’s decisions is a result of a ‘philosophy’.

I suspect I am misappropriating the word ‘philosophy’ here. Is it right to say that ‘everyone has a philosophy’?
I think you are right. However, the study of attitudes towards the world and others is also the bread and butter of social cognition, a branch of psychology.
 
The church would first rule out every possible case for mental illness.
After ruling out mental illness, there are some red flags. Does the person have a history with occult practices? Does the person speak languages he/she has no way of knowing? Unusual strength? Pigherd going over cliff?😉
 
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