What is it that homosexuals really want?

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Wellok said:
The Priest is the officiant of the Mass. His vestments mark his vocation and office. Most Priest do wear baggy pants under the vestments. I know some that wear shorts in the summer.

Women aren’t required to wear a veil in non-latin mass. He’s not being flamboyant. Come to the beach, people wear shorts all the time. It’s ok. We are all there to celebrate the Mass. We are choosing to be there. God loves us.
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If people don’t need to dress reverently in the presence of God, priests and nuns should should not be required to stick to any dresscode. Why do you even wear a tux at all, if you don’t need to wear nice clothes in the presence of the Creator of the universe? Do you think people are more worthy of nice attire than God?

That’s the logical extent of what you are advocating.

Modesty and Humility are Christian virtues. They come from the Holy Spirit, that’s why no one in Mass should wear flashy clothes that draw attention away from God. Not dressing modestly is a failure of charity toward God and your fellow attendees.
 
mitex said:
Again I don’t think my style makes me stick out… My pants range from jeans to khakis and Im in a polo or a rugby shirt. Would you have me wear a tux? :rolleyes:

Im smartcasual!
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So why did that mother call you a deviant?

And why did you identify you needed to change what you wore?
 
havana1 said:
Only took two replies for someone to bring the notion of “SSA” into the mix. That was quick. Nevermind that the term is nowhere in the Catechism and the term doesn’t exist outside of CAF circles.
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I give up, what is SSA?
 
Deus_lo_vult said:
If people don’t need to dress reverently in the presence of God, priests and nuns should should not be required to stick to any dresscode. Why do you even wear a tux at all, if you don’t need to wear nice clothes in the presence of the Creator of the universe? Do you think people are more worthy of nice attire than God?

That’s the logical extent of what you are advocating.

Modesty and Humility are Christian virtues. They come from the Holy Spirit, that’s why no one in Mass should wear flashy clothes that draw attention away from God. Not dressing modestly is a failure of charity toward God and your fellow attendees.
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My Aunt is Nun they don’t wear Habits anymore. Priests wear a collar to indicate their vocation. They don’t wear it all the time. They have “street” clothes. I have family friends that we vacation with we go to the beach, swim, play golf, etc all with no collar.

God is everywhere not just Church.

God sends us into the world naked, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t care about clothes.
 
Somehow this has turned into a fashion thread, complete with pants photos that look like an old Sears Catalog. 😃
 
Wellok said:
My Aunt is Nun they don’t wear Habits anymore. Priests wear a collar to indicate their vocation. They don’t wear it all the time. They have “street” clothes. I have family friends that we vacation with we go to the beach, swim, play golf, etc all with no collar.

God is everywhere not just Church.

God sends us into the world naked, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t care about clothes.
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Yeh, but don’t run around naked. They arrest people for that. 😃
 
And I may have been wearing a certain identifier on my wrist that gave it away… Think rainbow though this was before I was in RCIA.
 
Wellok said:
My Aunt is Nun they don’t wear Habits anymore. Priests wear a collar to indicate their vocation. They don’t wear it all the time. They have “street” clothes. I have family friends that we vacation with we go to the beach, swim, play golf, etc all with no collar.

God is everywhere not just Church.

God sends us into the world naked, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t care about clothes.
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  1. That’s not entirely true. Plenty of cloistered nuns still wear Habits, believe it or not. I went to two Catholic grade schools as a lad, both led by orders of nuns. One principal wore a Habit, the other did not.
  2. There’s an ordained ‘nun’ in Maryland right now lobbying for gay ‘marriage’ at the Maryland statehouse. Not all members of the clergy are in good standing with the Church, so, I’m unmollified by individual examples.
If God doesn’t care about clothes, why shouldn’t all priests wear t-shirts while conducting the Mass? Why not throw out the vestments entirely? I mean, no one has trouble identifying the priest while he stands behind the altar…if you like we can write ‘priest’ on their t-shirts to remove all doubt as to the identity of the priest.

That is the logical extent of what you are advocating.
 
Taking a quick look down the Moral Theology sub-forum, and reading at least five ‘homosexual’ threads, I am wondering why certain people --for whatever reason-- are so obsessed with homosexuality?

Yes, it is disordered. Yes, people with SSA are called to lives of chastity (no more, of course, than single heterosexuals). Yes, many people with SSA find relief for their situation in the glory of our Faith (as all sinners do). Yes, it is disturbing that a tiny minority of people with SSA are obnoxiously vocal and seem to be set on getting their own version of ‘marriage’ legitimized.

But, really, I find it more than a little odd so many people are downright obsessed by the homosexual disorder. No offense to anyone, but it seems like a minority hereabouts, as small as the vocal homosexual ‘marriage’ crowd, is as obsessed by homosexuality as the
vocal homosexual ‘marriage’ crowd.
 
Deus_lo_vult said:
  1. That’s not entirely true. Plenty of cloistered nuns still wear Habits, believe it or not. I went to two Catholic grade schools as a lad, both led by orders of nuns. One principal wore a Habit, the other did not.
  2. There’s an ordained ‘nun’ in Maryland right now lobbying for gay ‘marriage’ at the Maryland statehouse. Not all members of the clergy are in good standing with the Church, so, I’m unmollified by individual examples.
If God doesn’t care about clothes, why shouldn’t all priests wear t-shirts while conducting the Mass? Why not throw out the vestements entirely? I mean, no one has trouble identifying the priest while he stands behind the altar…if you like we can write ‘priest’ on their t-shirts to remove all doubt as to the identity of the priest.

That is the logical extent of what you are advocating.
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Sadly there are few cloistered nuns. The number gets smaller every year. I went to Catholic School through grade school and H.S. Most Nuns don’t wear Habits.

Again, Priests wear vestments because they are the officiants of the Mass. It is a ritual, they wear the ritual garb. They don’t wear religious clothes all the time. The Mass is for US not for God.
 
Wellok said:
Sadly there are few cloistered nuns. The number gets smaller every year. I went to Catholic School through grade school and H.S. Most Nuns don’t wear Habits.

Again, Priests wear vestments because they are the officiants of the Mass. It is a ritual, they wear the ritual garb. They don’t wear religious clothes all the time. The Mass is for US not for God.
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And what are the laity? Chopped liver? Of course it should matter how they are dressed.

That’s not true. The Mass is a communion, between God and man, which includes the laity. The Mass is also a Paschal Sacrifice that replaces the strict Old Testament ritual in in the Book of Exodus, which was a very formal occasion, as the Mass should now be.
 
Deus_lo_vult said:
And what are the laity? Chopped liver? Of course it should matter how they are dressed.

That’s not true. The Mass is a communion, between God and man, which includes the laity. The Mass is also a Paschal Sacrifice that replaces the strict Old Testament ritual in in the Book of Exodus, which was a very formal occasion, as the Mass should now be.
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The Mass is for us to commune with God. God doesn’t need the Mass to commune with us.

Priests say Mass without the laity everyday. We participate for our benefit not the Priest nor Gods. 🤷
 
Wellok said:
The Mass is for us to commune with God. God doesn’t need the Mass to commune with us.

Priests say Mass without the laity everyday. We participate for our benefit not the Priest nor Gods. 🤷
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Yes, the Mass IS a gift. Do you think dressing sloppy or immodestly demonstrates your gratitude to God for the gift of the Mass?

Answer this question: why do you ever dress formally? Why? If you can dismiss God as a good reason to dress decently, what other reason is better than God?

My goal here is to draw a sharp distinction between what you advocate, which is a loose, informal attire during Mass, and what Catholicism actually teaches. I want to stress that you can believe whatever you like, Wellok, but what you believe is NOT what Catholicism teaches. Can you admit that so we can finish this discussion?

This is what the Catechism says about Modesty:
II. THE BATTLE FOR PURITY
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2521 Purity requires modesty, an integral part of temperance. Modesty protects the intimate center of the person. It means refusing to unveil what should remain hidden. It is ordered to chastity to whose sensitivity it bears witness. It guides how one looks at others and behaves toward them in conformity with the dignity of persons and their solidarity.
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2522 Modesty protects the mystery of persons and their love. It encourages patience and moderation in loving relationships; it requires that the conditions for the definitive giving and commitment of man and woman to one another be fulfilled. Modesty is decency. It inspires one’s choice of clothing. It keeps silence or reserve where there is evident risk of unhealthy curiosity. It is discreet.
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2523 There is a modesty of the feelings as well as of the body. It protests, for example, against the voyeuristic explorations of the human body in certain advertisements, or against the solicitations of certain media that go too far in the exhibition of intimate things. Modesty inspires a way of life which makes it possible to resist the allurements of fashion and the pressures of prevailing ideologies.
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2524 The forms taken by modesty vary from one culture to another. Everywhere, however, modesty exists as an intuition of the spiritual dignity proper to man. It is born with the awakening consciousness of being a subject. Teaching modesty to children and adolescents means awakening in them respect for the human person.
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2525 Christian purity requires a purification of the social climate. It requires of the communications media that their presentations show concern for respect and restraint. Purity of heart brings freedom from widespread eroticism and avoids entertainment inclined to voyeurism and illusion.
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2526 So called moral permissiveness rests on an erroneous conception of human freedom; the necessary precondition for the development of true freedom is to let oneself be educated in the moral law. Those in charge of education can reasonably be expected to give young people instruction respectful of the truth, the qualities of the heart, and the moral and spiritual dignity of man.
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Wellok teaches that Mass should be totally informal. Catholicism DOES NOT.
 
Wellok said:
The Catechism addresses modesty not formality vs casual - sorry.

Jeans and flip flops don’t prevent me from communing with God. 🤷
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Modesty “inspires one’s choice of clothing” and a “way of life which makes it possible to resist the allurements of fashion and the pressures of prevailing ideologies.”

Modesty, as a virtue, governs what you (or mitex) choose to wear every day, Wellok, whether it’s formal or informal, and the fashions you uphold. A t-shirt and a dress shirt are not equally modest; the dress shirt is not only more formal, but also more modest. A lack of modest attire indicates a deficit of the virtue of modesty.

Your belief system is your own, but it’s not inherited from Catholicism; I’ve proven this twice, and you have no documentation to support your own conclusions. Goodnight.

Dress nicely for Church, Wellok, your salvation was purchased with an awful lot of blood and suffering, and the least you can do is show your respect every Sunday.
 
You are expressing a fashion preference not a meter of modesty.

What is more modest about khakis vs Jeans? The both cover the same area.

What is more modest a cardigan or a hoodie? They cover the same area.

Here is a thread that gives a lot of opinions - some like mine, some like yours. It’s not definitive either way -

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=164292
 
Deus_lo_vult said:
  1. That’s not entirely true. Plenty of cloistered nuns still wear Habits, believe it or not. I went to two Catholic grade schools as a lad, both led by orders of nuns. One principal wore a Habit, the other did not.
  2. There’s an ordained ‘nun’ in Maryland right now lobbying for gay ‘marriage’ at the Maryland statehouse. Not all members of the clergy are in good standing with the Church, so, I’m unmollified by individual examples.
If God doesn’t care about clothes, why shouldn’t all priests wear t-shirts while conducting the Mass? Why not throw out the vestments entirely? I mean, no one has trouble identifying the priest while he stands behind the altar…if you like we can write ‘priest’ on their t-shirts to remove all doubt as to the identity of the priest.

That is the logical extent of what you are advocating.
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Nuns are contemplatives in monasteries. Maybe you are talking about sisters. Nuns and sisters are different.

And nuns can’t get ordained. Cows can’t fly and nuns can’t get ordained. Neither can sisters.
 
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