What is lust?

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I’m not looking for a theological definition. I am trying to figure out how to recognize it in my life. I just want to be able to walk down the street or sit in a college classroom without lusting, but I honestly have no idea when I am and when I am not. Any advice would be helpful. Thanks .👍
 
I’m not looking for a theological definition. I am trying to figure out how to recognize it in my life. I just want to be able to walk down the street or sit in a college classroom without lusting, but I honestly have no idea when I am and when I am not. Any advice would be helpful. Thanks .👍
CCC 2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.
 
The best explanation that I had was from my Jesuit Spiritual Director. “It’s not the first look that gets you, it’s the second one.”

Basically, as fallen human beings we cannot exercise full control over all of our thoughts and actions (or more appropriately, reactions). So if you are walking down the street and your eye is caught by someone attractive that is not lust. Choosing to look again (or not look away) and in more detail is an act of the will and is the beginning of lust. Once you engage the mind then you have lust.

Please understand that I am NOT saying it is okay to look because we can’t help it. If you have problems with lust then you should try to avoid places that cause you to engage in it. For example, you should probably try and find another place to go other than Hooters to find some buffalo wings. What I am saying is that lust requires that your will be engaged. There is a difference that may take some time and prayer to recognize.
 
Choosing to look again (or not look away) and in more detail is an act of the will and is the **beginning **of lust. Once you engage the mind then you have lust.
This is what I am trying to figure out. I am at this stage where I do not know what the difference is between that beginning and ‘engaging the mind.’ Any more elaboration on those parts could help greatly.
 
This is what I am trying to figure out. I am at this stage where I do not know what the difference is between that beginning and ‘engaging the mind.’ Any more elaboration on those parts could help greatly.
I’ll try. I will assume that you are a man as am I, so please correct me if I am wrong.

Example: I live in Dallas, TX which has the highest number of strip clubs per capita in the US (not based on any facts…it just seems that way). One cannot drive down I-35 in Dallas without seeing at least 1 billboard advertising a strip club. Some of these billboards do so by using pictures/photos of women in various stages of undress or provactive poses. The first time one of those billboards catches my eye I have a choice to make, I can either look away or I can continue to look. If I continue to look at the billboard then I have placed myself in a near occasion of sin and am a small step from actually committing a sin. If I look away then I am trying to take myself out of the near occasion of sin. However, if I look away I have another choice to make, I can engage my mind and start thinking/fantasizing about that picture or I can say a quick prayer and try to re-focus on something else. If I start thinking/fantasizing then I have made a choice to engage in a lustful activity and am at that point committing a sin. If I pray and/or try to refocus but the image keeps coming back to my mind I am in a near occasion of sin. As long as I continue to try and fight the temptation and not engage in lustful thinking/doing then I have committed no sin. Remember that sin requires action or conscious decision. I have gotten very good at knowing where these billboards are on my daily commute and am to the point where I do not even notice them…most of the time.

One other thought/example, it might be that you are driving and thinking about something else. You see a billboard and your mind just drifts into impure thoughts. Then you realize what you are doing and consciously decide to start praying. You have not sinned because there was no conscious thought involved. This is probably the most dangerous state to be in because it means that you have become so accustomed to your situation that your mind automatically turns to impure thoughts. As one who has fought and continues to fight against the sin of lust I am very familiar with the difficulties. I hope this helps you in your struggles.
 
I don’t know if this will help but I once heard a priest suggest imagining that your thoughts are floating above your head for everyone to see. This can’t be applied to every situation but if a thought is unkind enough we wouldn’t want others to see it, we probably should stop it where it starts. I think the same could apply to impure thoughts or looks. If it is starting to produce thoughts we wouldn’t want others to see, it is probably time to look away/think about something else ext…

This is a good practice for when you are married. Never letting your thoughts/looks become anything that could potentially hurt a spouse if they new about it.

Reading on the Theology of the Body could be helpful too. I was reading some articles by Christopher West last night and found them to be so inspiring. They are short and easy reading. Perhaps reading a couple would give you a feel for whether reading on this topic would be helpful in your situation.

Here is a link

theologyofthebody.com/works.asp

I would reccomend “A Pure Way of Looking at Others, Part 1 & 2” although all of them are so good.

It is so encouraging to hear about guys striving for purity!!! Way to go:thumbsup:
 
I recently heard a priest use the following analogy that was not exactly defining lust but trying to help one see the line between permissible attraction and lust.

If we see what we consider a beautiful object, such as a car (or piece of art or something), it is ok to notice it and even ok to examine it closely, this is all ok so long as we are aware it isn’t ours and we don’t act like it is. When we take (i.e. steal) the car that is a problem because it is not ours but we are acting as if it is.
 
I recently heard a priest use the following analogy that was not exactly defining lust but trying to help one see the line between permissible attraction and lust.

If we see what we consider a beautiful object, such as a car (or piece of art or something), it is ok to notice it and even ok to examine it closely, this is all ok so long as we are aware it isn’t ours and we don’t act like it is. When we take (i.e. steal) the car that is a problem because it is not ours but we are acting as if it is.
I’m not sure I think this advice is very good. One of the reasons lust is wrong is because it objectifies a person, likens them to an object. I don’t think that comparing looking at a woman with looking at a car is a very good analogy to use. People are a lot more than “pieces of art” put on the earth for the viewing pleasure of others.

Certainly it is ok to notice the beauty or attractiveness of someone, especially if you are a single person looking to find a spouse. Attraction exists because God wanted it to encourage us to find a spouse and be a part of bringing new life into the world. Attraction does not exist so we can go around “checking” people out for pleasure whether our intentions are pure or not, or whether we take it any further or not. If we respect others the way God wants us to, we should be striving to look at them as a people, made in the image and likeness of God, a combination or spirit and soul, not looking at them like a piece of art or a car.

It is one thing to say “it is ok to notice it” but I don’t agree with the “to examine it closely”. I am a married woman and the only man I want “examining” me closely is my huband. Also, if my husband said he was staring at another woman in a pure way to “examine” her God given beauty closely, I wouldn’t be too happy about it.

I think the freedom a single person has to “look” around(in a pure way) is greater than that of a married person. Still, I don’t think a pure single girl would think it suitable for a single man to “examine” her closely, especially if we are talking about anything other than the face. Perhaps this isn’t so much about right or wrong as it is about respect.

I once had a friend who said she wanted to find a shirt that had eyes on the chest so that for once in her life men would be looking in her eyes when they talked to her(she was of course joking). All of us, women included, want to be noticed, loved and respected for something other than our physical “beauty”. After all we all get old and looks don’t stick around.

Lastly, “What is beautiful?” or “Why do I consider this or that to be beautiful?” In the middle ages women who were heavy were considered to be the most attractive. Today, women with large breasts and skinny bodies are considered the most beautiful. What our minds consider to be beautiful is in part conditioned by the advertising ext… around us.

If the purpose of attraction is to find a good spouse then I think it is very important not to be too concerned or attracted to purely physical beauty. How often do people marry someone because of their looks only to find they married someone vain or unkind.

The true beauty of the human person lies within not without. If we are caught up in “examining” the outer beauty of a person, there is a great danger we will never acknowlegde their inner beauty and value.

I’m not trying to deny that there are people in the world who are blessed with great looks or that it isn’t natural or even right to be attracted by good looks. It’s just that beauty and good looks aren’t the same thing. I think getting to know someone, respecting them and loving them is the only way of truly and purely “examining” someone’s beauty.
 
I recently heard a priest use the following analogy that was not exactly defining lust but trying to help one see the line between permissible attraction and lust.

If we see what we consider a beautiful object, such as a car (or piece of art or something), it is ok to notice it and even ok to examine it closely, this is all ok so long as we are aware it isn’t ours and we don’t act like it is. When we take (i.e. steal) the car that is a problem because it is not ours but we are acting as if it is.
I think this is more appropriate for explaining “Thou shalt not covet…” then for lust.
 
Full intent of the will has to be in play here…you have to look at the woman for the purpose of thinking like 'wow…what a beautiful woman! Such jaw dropping beauty. Boy, I’d love to take off her clothes and slowly do this and that and get her back to my place and…if those thoughts come into your head right after the first look or so and you dismiss, then no sin…if you look at her again because you want to do some imagining…lust.

If you notice her beauty, and even admire her beauty, but not think about having sex or intimate contact with her, you are ok. I guess if you feel yourself starting to stir inside, it’s a good idea to ‘change the channel’.
 
I guess where my confusion is is…

DallasCatholic, you say that the second look is an occasion of sin. My question is, in that second look, what exactly does one have to do to actually commit the sin? I know that just admiring the beauty of a person is not lust. I just don’t understand what… the difference is.
 
I guess where my confusion is is…

DallasCatholic, you say that the second look is an occasion of sin. My question is, in that second look, what exactly does one have to do to actually commit the sin? I know that just admiring the beauty of a person is not lust. I just don’t understand what… the difference is.
The second look is an act of the will, you have chosen to take that second look. Sin requires an act of the will, so the second look covers that but what are you thinking when you take that second look. I think forwardProgress covered that very well. Only you, in your heart know the purpose and thoughts behind that second look.

I congratulate you on your struggle with your conscience in this matter. I think lust is the most difficult of sins, especially in today’s world where sexual images are de riguer. I also think most men commit the sin of lust on a daily basis, if only in their thoughts. Most men, since they don’t dwell on those thoughts or act on them think that they are okay…and some may be but I know for myself that is not true. The fact that you are struggling is cause for rejoicing because it means that you are growing spiritually and trying to take to heart Christ’s words from the Sermon on the Mount. I would suggest that you find a good Spiritual Director (SD) and start exploring this with him. My SD is a wonderful Jesuit who has quite a bit of experience, compassion and knowledge. If you can’t find a Priest in your Parish to act as your SD then look outside the Parish. In most cities there are different religous orders, some with ordained Priests that you can explore. I know in Dallas we have Jesuits, Cistercians and Discalced Carmelites, and those are just the orders with ordained Priests. The only other words I have for you are to beware of Scrupulosity. This is the big reason why you need an SD. You may indeed have a problem…or you may be making a mountain out of a mole hill.
 
I’m not looking for a theological definition. I am trying to figure out how to recognize it in my life. I just want to be able to walk down the street or sit in a college classroom without lusting, but I honestly have no idea when I am and when I am not. Any advice would be helpful. Thanks .👍
Hey there,

I know I have the same question myself, it seems like I wrestle with the question all the time…

My current thinking is that it turns someone else into an “object for your own pleasure.” And, to me, it has to be that I dwell in it for a bit for it to become serious.

If I feel that I have “lusted” - I usually will confess that “I didn’t have respect for others.” If that makes sense.
 
The conundrum that somehow defines the cosmic variable between the basic physical & primal attraction of opposite sexes, against what has been deemed morally, spiritually, or socially acceptable within the time period that the question was asked.
 
Probably the better question is more along the lines of “what is your intent?” If you look at a beautiful woman and recognize her for her beauty and that she is an unrepeatable gift of God that is not yours to possess or use, then you have experienced admiration, attraction, fascination, but probably not lust. If on the other hand, you look at same woman and your thought is surrounded on how that person could be used for your means…then you have experienced lust.
 
You are young enough that you probably have a high enough hormone level that “watching all the girls go by” seems lustful to you. Trust me, you have to work pretty hard at it to get interest in the opposite sex to the level of lust. Don’t waste time worrying about it; rejoice in the beauty of God’s creation. The older you get, the more you can see beauty in it.
Peace.
Matthew
 
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