What is meant by being 'saved'?

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rev_kevin said:
I don’t know about your god but my God is merciful. If by no fault of their own, I’m sure my God will save them, I don’t know about your god, but my God will.
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So salvation is not by faith alone. Now we’re getting somewhere.
Oh by the way, are people outside the Catholic Church saved?
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No. The good news is that someone can be inside the Church without knowing it. Everyone who has been baptized in the Name of the Triune God and hasn’t forefeited salvation is.
 
rev_kevin said:
Its not my eyes that count.
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I was asking a question rev. Humor me. I accept Christ as my Lord and Savior. Am I saved?
What does being Catholic have to do with being saved?
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I am beginning to think, to you, a lot since after you said all someone had to do was accept Christ the only thing I included after telling you I had done this was that I was Catholic. Now I can’t get you to tell me if you think I am saved :hmmm:

God bless you
 
Roman_Catholic;7524580]We don’t know rev, we are not God. We trust in His mercifulness like you do but He owes it to no one to save them. The human ideal of fairness does not equate to divine justice.
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No he don’t OWE it to no one to be saved, but if someone that he created with a mental illness and not capable of knowing who Christ is, I believe he will save them. A aborted child had no chance to ever know who Christ is, therefore I believe that child will be saved. I believe its divine justice that will save these people. I have faith in God that he will not let these kind of people suffer damnation. He’s a better God then that.
What have you done that there are threads that bash you :eek:
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Just past experiences when I disagree or have a differen view then the Catholic faith.
I see this post form Cat Herder as the start of one.
Because God desires their salvation as clearly stated by Scripture, and because they have done nothing to forefeit salvation, God would not be able to accomplish all that He wills under Rev Kev’s definition of salvation, leading to the conclusion that God is not omnipotent. Hence if Rev Kev is correct then Christianity is false.

Cheer up rev

God bless you
 
Roman_Catholic said:
I was asking a question rev. Humor me. I accept Christ as my Lord and Savior. Am I saved?

I am beginning to think, to you, a lot since after you said all someone had to do was accept Christ the only thing I included after telling you I had done this was that I was Catholic. Now I can’t get you to tell me if you think I am saved :hmmm:

God bless you
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Yes
 
rev_kevin said:
This question is not what the topic is.
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Neither is “So those outside of the Catholic Church are not saved?”

The question is "What is meant by being ‘saved?’ and I’ve told you what it isn’t. Jesus Christ can and does many people who do not know Him as their personal Lord and Savior. All I have done is indicate this to you, and based on your responses it sounds like you agree. That of course means you must revise your definition of being ‘saved.’
 
Salvation is an ongoing event. Its not simply Ive accepted Jesus today therefore I will be saved 50 years from now. It is an ongoing battle against sin, something all humans are very prone to.

We can easily verify salvation as an ongoing event—just look at the world around us. If salvation was a past event, then Mother Theresa and Pope John Paul II would be a dime a dozen. Instead, they shine like stars in the darkness. The world is a cultural and spiritual battleground—a collision between the culture of life and the culture of death. This, however, is nothing new. St. Paul described man’s predicament in these terms: “What happens is that I do, not the good I will to do, but the evil I do not intend. But if I do what is against my will, it is not I who do it, but sin which dwells in me” (Rom 7:19-20).
 
Cat Herder;7524585]So salvation is not by faith alone. Now we’re getting somewhere.
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Salvation is not by faith alone, but being* saved* is.
 
Robert_in_SD said:
Does personal opinion matter?
Are we ‘saved’ if we believe it to be so? Or are we saved despite our personal opinion on the matter?

Peace,
Robert
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Thats up to the OP.{see below} Personally I would like to see both.
creole54=OP
What is meant by being ‘saved’?
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I’ve never completely understood this phrase, and recently a Southern Baptist friend of mine, who was honestly trying to understand the Catholic faith, asked me at what point do Catholics get saved. I’ve always thought that being ‘saved’ meant that one had accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord & Savior and, honestly, I don’t remember a time in my life when I didn’t accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.
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I didn’t know for sure how to answer her, but I felt that maybe the sacrament of Confirmation was the closest thing to what she was asking. Can any protestants explain the idea of being saved to me? And can any Catholics explain if there is a comparable event in the Catholic church?
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creole54 said:
I’ve never completely understood this phrase, and recently a Southern Baptist friend of mine, who was honestly trying to understand the Catholic faith, asked me at what point do Catholics get saved. I’ve always thought that being ‘saved’ meant that one had accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord & Savior and, honestly, I don’t remember a time in my life when I didn’t accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.

I didn’t know for sure how to answer her, but I felt that maybe the sacrament of Confirmation was the closest thing to what she was asking. Can any protestants explain the idea of being saved to me? And can any Catholics explain if there is a comparable event in the Catholic church?

Thanks
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Being saved means being brought into safety and set free from ruin, destruction, harm, etc. The one who does the saving is God, and the idea is that if you’re a Christian, there’s a certain point at which God brought you into safety from certain kinds of ruin, destruction, harm, and so forth. That would be the point at which God caused you to become a Christian.

For most Baptists, this is associated with some kind of born-again conversion experience- ie., an act of God whereby He does something called saving you. In terms of what the Baptist was probably doing at the time, chances are good that it has something to do with asking God to do this (perhaps a sinner’s prayer, or maybe confessing with your mouth and believing in your heart that Jesus is Lord). But more important than anything the Baptist does is what God does or doesn’t do. He is the one who does the saving, after all.
 
creole54 said:
I’ve never completely understood this phrase, and recently a Southern Baptist friend of mine, who was honestly trying to understand the Catholic faith, asked me at what point do Catholics get saved. I’ve always thought that being ‘saved’ meant that one had accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord & Savior and, honestly, I don’t remember a time in my life when I didn’t accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.

I didn’t know for sure how to answer her, but I felt that maybe the sacrament of Confirmation was the closest thing to what she was asking. Can any protestants explain the idea of being saved to me? And can any Catholics explain if there is a comparable event in the Catholic church?

Thanks
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I always tell them “I was saved on Good Friday like everyone else.” It really throws them off.

BTW, I was raised IFB, Independent Fundamental Baptist or as I like to put it, “Bapti-costal.” (We did everything but speak in tongues.) So I understand the question. The disconnect is in their paradigm. They believe that salvation is a once for all time commitment to a personal relationship which is indissoluble. The dilemma appears when they begin sinning, like the rest of us, and their failings eventually add up to the point where they suspect that only someone who is not a Christian could possibly be as sinful as they are. The only conclusion for them is that the indissoluble state of “salvation” was not actually achieved so they go forward after the Sunday sermon at the “Altar Call” and once again make the commitment, (for really sure this time…we hope) to the indissoluble relationship. We Catholics can come to approximately the same conclusion. The difference is that we openly acknowledge our failings in confession and then both Baptist and Catholic are restored to Grace at the “Altar Call.” However our restoration is in the Eucharist and we receive salvation unto ourselves weekly some even daily.

Pax,
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(Yes I understand that we are restored to Grace in absolution. The comparison of Altar Calls was intentional.)
 
po18guy said:
I tend to favor the view of Fr. John Corapi, who states: “You are not saved until your butt is in heaven”.
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That’s also how I look at the Calvinist “Elect” – “Non-Elect” issue. You know you’re of the Elect when your butt is in Heaven. Thank you Fr. Corapi. I love that guy.

Pax,
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Cat Herder;7524629]Neither is “So those outside of the Catholic Church are not saved?”
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Yes it is. I was asking a question about being saved,
Originally Posted by rev kevin
So those outside of the Catholic Church are not saved?

You asked a question about:
Originally Posted by Cat Herder
What do you think the Catholic Church is?
What I think the Catholic Church is, is not the topic.
The question is "What is meant by being ‘saved?’ and I’ve told you what it isn’t. Jesus Christ can and does many people who do not know Him as their personal Lord and Savior. All I have done is indicate this to you, and based on your responses it sounds like you agree. That of course means you must revise your definition of being ‘saved.’
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Salvation is not by faith alone, but being saved is. If I am lost {not saved} and I am found {saved}. If I can never understand by no fault of my own, who Christ is, Christ will, I trust
save them. But if you can understand and won’t accept Christ then you are not saved.
 
From this very website:
“Are you saved?” asks the Fundamentalist. The Catholic should reply: “As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:18, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13).”
 
RedDawgMCM said:
From this very website:
“Are you saved?” asks the Fundamentalist. The Catholic should reply: “As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:18, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13).”
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Exactly. To counter the “Romans” whose drumbeat is “faith alone”, I have taken a liking to Romans 8:24 “For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?”
 
rev_kevin said:
Salvation is not by faith alone, but being saved is. If I am lost {not saved} and I am found {saved}. If I can never understand by no fault of my own, who Christ is, Christ will, I trust
save them. But if you can understand and won’t accept Christ then you are not saved.
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How is one lost (not saved) and how is one found (saved)?
 
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