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You went to a Mass you rarely attend yet so confidently claim to know what your church has over its altar?
 
I thought it’s a wedding stage set up. we need to Pray and do penance.offer a Rosary
 
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We have a lot of good Catholics out there and a lot of good Catholic priest and bishops but some don’t know what is relevant …
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The problem as I see it is when we start to think we can judge which are the “good Catholics” and “good priests and bishops” by whether or not they agree with us.

A wreath behind the altar is no worse than a large floral arrangement. And only one crucifix is required, and it was carried in by an altar server.

So what exactly is it that makes you think those behind the church decorations aren’t “good Catholics”? Sounds like the rubrics were followed, with an altar server carrying in the processional crucifix.

I don’t see the problem except that you didn’t like the decorations for the holy season of Christmas.
 
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… I see the richness of the Catholic Church being done in by some parishes not all. We have a lot of good Catholics out there and a lot of good Catholic priest and bishops but some don’t know what is relevant and what is not…
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God bless you. I imagine that you never saw something like that before, and it’s upsetting, but don’t worry. Be at peace.

We don’t know why the wreath was there. Let’s assume there was a good reason, and let it go at that.

Since you mention the richness of the Catholic Church, I want you to think about that richness. What is it? Where is it? What makes it rich? There are many right answers, so take your time and think about it.
 
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Like I told my dad yesterday we are going down a slippery slope when we are doing these kinds of things.
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Yeah…
Like people bringing phones and taking pictures in the sanctuary…
Pretty irreverent
 
Here’s the thing I have a very liberal priest that is a very good pastor of our parish. His heart is in the right place. But when you have SOME not all Catholics go to Mass on Sunday hear the homily and how we don’t really know if there is people in hell as a couple of priest I talked to said. Mary said to the children at Fatima because there was no sacrifice are prayer they ( the children ) saw demons and the unjust being thrown into hell! I feel the Church is leaning towards Protestantisum with the Oran " lifting of the priest hands during the Liturgy of the Eucharist". The laity are not supposed to participate in this. Your noot supposed to do the Oran during Mass. The priest is the only one not even the deacon lifts his hands on the altar because it is a sacrifice offered by the priest who is standing in for Christ for all of us.

This is something unique Christ is the one giving the sacrifice and He is the sacrifice.
What a mystery.

Not all disagree with what I am saying on here but I have family members including my parents that don’t see eye to eye with me and that’s okay. But if my parents and friends can speak there mind about the Church why can’t I. With some people it’s just a one-way street. But I think that we can all agree and yet disagree.

I ask God everyday to straighten my faith and He is every Sunday with the elevating of the Host and when I receive bowing in front of the Tabernacle.

I guess what I am trying to say is to really leave your possessions and follow him you are on your way to sainthood not that I will be a saint but to really have that drive for heaven. Now you will be ostracized and that’s okay.

The more you are ostracized here on earth the greater the reward in heaven.

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/hand-gestures-at-mass130
 
Had to admit I was uncomfortable doing that but this was before Mass started.

One thing that I am certain of Jesus said his Church will last till the end of time and I believe that so no matter what little things they charge in the liturgy. My whole focus is on the miracle of the Eucharist.
 
That is an opinion. If you read the GIRM itself, it does not say this.
 
Well I’m 50 I can admit I am a very conservative person and don’t like change to much. The Church I grew up in was a big Church. Big stained glass windows, candles to light and you put a little money in a box not to buy that persons soul out of purgatory but as almsgiving to shorten the time. They had one long kneer in the front of the altar separating the preist from the people. The Tabernacle was on the altar not on the side almost hidden.

I was a cradle Catholic, I have good Catholic parents a good Catholic school but catechesis was not that good especially in the early years. Now I know I have to share in this burden. But for instance I could not understand transubstantiation ( when the Bread and Wine become the body and blood of Christ) and other Doctrine.

I was living my own life so I barely gave it much thought. Then I got married to a Protestant and I was really in trouble. For the doctrine that I doubted I didn’t believe in it anymore. I became a Protestant the seven years and not by the falt of my wife but mine. With in that time there was something always missing but I didn’t know what it was till I came back to the Catholic Church and that was the Eucharist. They didn’t have it they had the Lord’s supper every month with crackers and juice. But that is not the same as the true presence.

So that’s why it is so much clearer to me today. God bless
 
Yes and looking in hindsight I wish I wouldn’t have put the picture.

I am not faulting the priest he is a very humble and God-fearing person. Because he said what is this time really about the Christ child. I know he wasn’t doing anything malicious by putting the wreath up and taking the crucifix down.
 
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Yes and looking in hindsight I wish I wouldn’t have put the picture.

I am not faulting the priest he is a very humble and God-fearing person. Because he said what is this time really about the Christ child. I know he wasn’t doing anything malicious by putting the wreath up and taking the crucifix down.
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Ahh, that changes things. You say he took the crucifix down I can see that would jar. Are you certain that there was one there, or are you just assuming there was? There doesn’t have to be. you know. As a previous poster said, a processional cross being carried in then installed at the start of Mass is acceptable.
 
Last time I posted church pics (not here) I got asked why there wasn’t a crucifix.

It was a new church building. They arranged it so that the decor not actually part of the building was purchased later - an appeal went out and you could donate money to various items, or just in general. Once the money was raised, we commissioned a very nice carved crucifix.
 
That’s what was so shocking to me right when I walked in and saw this big wreath right in the center of the altar where the cross use to be.
 
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There’s no requirements to have a crucifix on the wall. Just on/near the altar. The processional cross can fulfill that requirement. In fact, I’ve heard it argued that there should only be one counting the processional cross.
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Correct. However, I would argue that you can never have too many crucifixes.
 
0104 said:
hear the homily and how we don’t really know if there is people in hell as a couple of priest I talked to said. Mary said to the children at Fatima because there was no sacrifice are prayer they ( the children ) saw demons and the unjust being thrown into hell!
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We don’t know who is in hell right now. The Church does not declare “anti-Saints”.

As for the visions of Fatima, they are private revelation and we can choose to believe or not. If we believe, the visions could have been visions of the end of time, they were not necessarily time stamped.
 
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