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I had read somewhere that the Catholic view of salvation is to be “freed from sins”. I think that this is the view being presented in the New Testament.

I think this is one of the reasons why I don’t agree with this notion of “once saved always saved” (don’t want that debate in this thread though) is because that would imply “once freed from sin always freed from sin”. And this is clearly not true, because we sin even after becoming Christians.

Is this how the Catholic church views salvation? Is it viewed as a process of being continually freed from sins and becoming more and more like Christ?
 
Is this how the Catholic church views salvation? Is it viewed as a process of being continually freed from sins and becoming more and more like Christ?
IMHO, that’s not salvation - its sanctification.

Salvation means that, when we die, we go to heaven (possibly via purgatory) - ie, we die in a state of Grace. A wretched sinner may be fortunate to turn from his evil ways on his deathbed, and make a good Confession and receive Last Rites, and find himself in heaven. He is saved, but has not been sanctified. Jesus teaches us that different people have different experiences of heaven - we may presume this person will not experience heaven in the same manner as a person who tried to live a holy life.
 
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CATECHISM
OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
Section Two
The Seven Sacraments of the Church
CHAPTER ONE
THE SACRAMENTS OF CHRISTIAN INITIATION
II. Baptism in the Economy of Salvation
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According to the Apostle Paul, the believer enters through Baptism into communion with Christ’s death, is buried with
him**, and rises with him:
Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into **Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him **by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.29
The baptized have** “put on Christ.”**30 Through the Holy Spirit, Baptism is a bath that purifies, justifies, and sanctifies.31
VI. The Necessity of Baptism
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The
Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation.60 He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them.61 Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament.62 The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are “reborn of water and the Spirit.” God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he **himself is not bound by his sacraments.
60 :bible1: Jesus answered: Amen, amen** I** say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. - John 3:5
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61 :bible1: 9 Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world. - Matthew 28:19-20**
62:bible1: He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned. ***- Mark 16:16 ***
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The Church has always held the firm conviction that those who suffer death for the sake of the faith without having received Baptism are baptized by their death for and with Christ. This Baptism of blood, like the desire for Baptism, brings about the fruits of Baptism without being a sacrament.
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"Since
Christ **died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the **Holy Spirit **offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."63 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.
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As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy ❤️ of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy ❤️ of God who desires that all men should be saved, and ***Jesus’ ***tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,"64 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming to **Christ **through the gift of holy Baptism.
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The quoted :bible1: Scripture texts are the footnoted texts in the Catechism . . . below is the link for the** Catechism** on-line . . .

:compcoff: Link: usccb.org/catechism/text/pt2sect2.shtml#art1

. . . all for Jesus+
. . . thank You Precious Lord
. . .our God and our Saviour+
. . . our All+
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Baltimore Catechism:

Q. Who made you?

A. God made me.

Q. Why did God make you?

A. To know, love and serve Him in this life and be happy with Him in the next.

Salvation is being restored to the life God intended for us from before Creation.
 
Yes, the Catholic definition of salvation is to be free from the inclination to sin, or free from concupiscence. Through the sacraments and prayer we receive the grace which takes away this inclination to sin. Thus we are saved (set free) from our sins.
But, this grace never takes this concupiscence entirely away. Thus we must continually pray always, and receive the sacraments, esp. the Eucharist, as often as possible to keep God’s life within us (grace) to keep us free as much as possible from the compulsion to sin.

The Church defines salvation:
**As the kernel and center of His Good News, Christ proclaims salvation, this great gift of God which is liberation from everything that oppresses man but which is above all liberation from sin and the Evil One, in the joy of knowing God and being known by Him, of seeing Him, and of being given over to Him. **
Evangelium nuntiandi
Pope Paul VI

notice how the other Popes use it in the same sense:
The subject of proclamation is Christ who was crucified, died and is risen: through him is accomplished our full and authentic liberation from evil, sin and death; through him God bestows “new life” that is divine and eternal. This is the “Good News” which changes man and his history, and which all peoples have a right to hear.
Mission of the Redeemer
Pope John Paul II

To the question, “why mission?” we reply with the Church’s faith and experience that true liberation consists in opening oneself to the love of Christ. In him, and only in him, are we set free from all alienation and doubt, from slavery to the power of sin and death. Christ is truly “our peace” (Eph 2:14); “the love of Christ impels us” (2 Cor 5:14), giving meaning and joy to our life.
Mission of the Redeemer
Pope John Paul II

Christ has redeemed us! This means that he has given us the possibility of realizing the entire truth of our being; he has set our freedom free from the domination of concupiscence. And if redeemed man still sins, this is not due to an imperfection of Christ’s redemptive act, but to man’s will not to avail himself of the grace which flows from that act.
Veritatis splendor
Pope John Paul II

Notice in the above the Pope implies we cannot overcome our inclination to
sin on our own. We need the grace of salvation that Jesus earned by His death and resurrection.
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Before the Redemption, mankind was enslaved by sin, inclined to dominate rather than serve, living for self and not for others. But by the mystery of his Cross and Resurrection, we have been given the freedom and grace to live no longer for ourselves but for him. What a wonderful gift from Christ, our Saviour!
It was precisely for this reason that Christ died for all of us, to liberate us from the bond of selfishness from which by ourselves we could never escape, to make us free, and to enable us to live for him. This is the gift which Christ won for all of us: clergy, religious, laity.**
Address of Pope John Paul II
to Clergy, Religious People and Laity
Cathedral of Port Moresby (Papua New Guinea)
Tuesday, 8 May 1984

**It is in the saving Cross of Jesus, in the gift of the Holy Spirit, in the Sacraments which flow forth from the pierced side of the Redeemer (cf. Jn 19:34), that believers find the grace and the strength always to keep God’s holy law, even amid the gravest of hardships. **
Veritatis splendor
Pope John Paul II

It would be a pernicious illusion to claim that one is acting in accordance with the Gospel without receiving strength from Christ himself in the Eucharist, the sacrament he instituted for this purpose. Such a claim would be a radically anti-Gospel attitude of self-sufficiency.
Priests Are Ordained to Celebrate Mass
General Audience — May 12, 1993
Pope John Paul II

101. The message of Jesus about God is Good News for humanity. Jesus proclaimed the Kingdom of God; (328) a new and definitive intervention by God, with a transforming power equal and even superior to his creation of the world. (329) In this sense, “Christ proclaims salvation as the outstanding element and, as it were, the central point of his Good News. This is the great gift of God which is to be considered as comprising not merely liberation from all those things by which man is oppressed, but especially liberation from sin and from the domination of the evil one, a liberation which incorporates that gladness enjoyed by every man who knows God and is known by him, who sees God and who surrenders himself trustingly to him”. (330) Catechesis transmits this message of the Kingdom, so central to the preaching of Jesus. In doing so, the message “is gradually deepened, developed in its implicit consequences”, (331) and thus manifests its great repercussions for man and the world.
GENERAL DIRECTORY FOR CATECHESIS, Authorized by Pope John Paul II

“Jesus answered the Roman governor’s questions by declaring that he was a king, but not of this world (cf. Jn 18: 36). He did not come to rule over peoples and territories but to set people free from the slavery of sin and to reconcile them with God.”
POPE BENEDICT XVI, Angelus Saint Peter’s Square Sunday, 26 November 2006

Also notice that the definitions of salvation include not only freedom from the slavery of sin, but also of “everything that oppresses man”. This would include false ideas that world teaches contrary to the gospel, such as ideas that deny the dignity of all men and thus their equal value before God, that love of God and love of neighbor is not that important, and the false ideas that follow from them, such as that divorce is good, that abortion is good, etc.
 
As I just posted, the primary definition of salvation is liberation from everything that oppresses man, but especially liberation from sin.

We can also speak of final salvation, that is, if we die repentant of our sins, then we can escape the fires of hell, and since Jesus already reconciled man back to God, then we can eventually enter heaven, after purification.

The reason there is so much confusion on the definition of salvation is because Protestant try to justify the idea that obeying the commandments is not necessary to enter heaven. In order to do that, they always interpret the word “saved” and “salvation” to mean “final salvation” or going to heaven.
For example, they will say, “how do we get to heaven”, and they will give the answer, partially taken from scripture, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved.” If they interpret the word “saved” in the correct sense, which is, to be freed from the inclination or compulsion to sin, then the interpretation does not fit Martin Luther’s tradition. Thus, they have to give an incorrect interpretation of the word “saved” to mean “final salvation” or going to heaven. They do this with the words “saved” and “salvation” throughout the bible. Catholic scholars in their pride, don’t study the Popes’ definitions of salvation, and so they are misled by the Protestants.
Thus, Catholic scholars pick up the wrong definition from Protestants, and teach Catholics this wrong definition. Thus all Catholic scholars end up teaching the reason that God became man was to open the gates of heaven. So, all Catholics now are taught the primary reason Jesus became man, suffered and died was to make it possible for us to enter heaven.
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 This makes it impossible for Catholics to understand the purpose of the mass. Because the Church teaches the primary purpose of the mass is to continue the work of salvation.  But, since Catholics are taught incorrectly by Catholic theologians and scripture scholars, that salvation means that Jesus died to open the gates of heaven, then the purpose of the mass makes no sense.
Because all Catholics are taught correctly that we receive the right to heaven when we are baptized and even the unbaptized can obtain baptism of desire and enter heaven. Thus, it makes no sense at all to them when they are taught that the mass continues the work of salvation. Because Jesus already reconciled man back to God, He already won the right to heaven for us, and we already have received the right to heaven when we were baptized.
Thus, the mass becomes useless. How can it continue the work of salvation, when we have already received salvation? (if salvation means Jesus died to give us the right to heaven).
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 This is the primary reason mass attendance has fallen off.  Ordinary Catholics can give no logical reason to attend mass.   Some will say, that it is the primary form of worship.  Which is true.  But, God does not need our worship.    And if the primary reason for the mass is continue the work of salvation, which we already have received, then what it the world is the purpose of the mass?

 Thus, this wrong definition of salvation, in which eternal salvation becomes the primary meaning, totally changes the meaning of the mass.   If the correct primary meaning of salvation, which is "liberation from sin", by taking away our concupiscence or inclination to sin, was taught, then we can see the reason to go to mass.  We can understand the reason the Church requires mass attendance.
We can make sense of the studies that show when Catholic couples don’t go to mass they have a divorce rate equal to the general population, but if they both go to Sunday mass, their divorce rate goes down to 2%. Because that is the primary purpose of the mass, to continue the work of salvation, that is, to continue to make available the grace of salvation that Jesus merited by His death and resurrection, the grace that liberates us from the slavery of sin.

If the correct definition of salvation, as taught by the Popes, and NOT by Catholic scholars, were taught, then mass attendance would skyrocket. Divorce and fornication would plummet. Abortions would decrease. Families would be strong again. Happly times would prevail, despite economic difficulties. **** And finally ordinary Catholics could understand what Pope JPII was referring to when he says everything centers on Jesus, because there is salvation through no one else but Him.
 
Another perspective is:

Salvation as being saved from something,
ultimately the eternal fire pit of Hell / Gehenna
where unrepentant sinners go.

People can be saved from that eternal destination
through Christ

Don’t know if any Pope or Doctor said it,
but its kind of just common sense.

Like as would say,
“Firefighters saved the man from the house-fire”
 
Hi there!
To dcdurel, I found your last two postings to be very informative(in truth, I have only read back a wee bit in order to get the gist of the forum!)
I’m intrigued by your reference to the Catholic teachers and scholars seizing on the wrong interpretation of salvation. Is this the way things are in universities generally?
Why has this situation arisen? Who is responsible for allowing this?
Hoping you can provide some equally informative answers,
I remain your seeking friend,
Colmcille1.🙂
 
I had read somewhere that the Catholic view of salvation is to be “freed from sins”. I think that this is the view being presented in the New Testament.

I think this is one of the reasons why I don’t agree with this notion of “once saved always saved” (don’t want that debate in this thread though) is because that would imply “once freed from sin always freed from sin”. And this is clearly not true, because we sin even after becoming Christians.

Is this how the Catholic church views salvation? Is it viewed as a process of being continually freed from sins and becoming more and more like Christ?
According to the Scriptures salvation IS being (1) forgiven of ALL sins, as well as being (2) freed from sin. The true believer is forgiven of ALL sins at the time of personal belief in Christ (Acts 10:43; 13:38; 26:18; Col. 1:14; 2:13-14; 1 Jn. 2:12), and freed from sin itself having (positionally) died with Christ “to sin,” once for all; and now raised (positionally) to new life “in Him,” i.e., the resurrected Christ (Rom. 6:7,18,22; 2 Cor. 5:17).

Salvation, by definition, is having been removed from all and any eternal consequences connected to sin. In Scripture the believer is never called a “sinner.” Such is no longer his identity being now in the resurrected Christ who died, once for all, TO SIN (our sins, which were imputed to Him on the cross).
 
Hi there!
To dcdurel, I found your last two postings to be very informative(in truth, I have only read back a wee bit in order to get the gist of the forum!)
I’m intrigued by your reference to the Catholic teachers and scholars seizing on the wrong interpretation of salvation. Is this the way things are in universities generally?
Why has this situation arisen? Who is responsible for allowing this?
Hoping you can provide some equally informative answers,
I remain your seeking friend,
Colmcille1.🙂
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   The wrong interpretation developed over time.  The Church normally does not define words, but uses them with their regular meaning.  The word save, means to be rescued, or to be freed from evil, or to be set free.  That is the normal meaning.  Thus, when we say Jesus came to save man from their sins, the normal definition means that Jesus came to free us from our sins, or free us from the slavery to sin.   Thus, the old Roman Catechism says:
** But if we consider the meaning of the salvation of the entire human race, those words are still more applicable to Christians, who are liberated by God not from the bondage of Egypt, but from the slavery of sin and the powers of darkness, and are translated into the kingdom of his beloved Son.**
Roman Catechism, Part 3

Just as Moses liberated the Jews from slavery in Egypt, Jesus as the “new Moses” came to liberate the whole human race from the slavery of sin. And it goes on to teach that it is through prayer and especially the sacraments, that we receive this grace that takes away our inclination to sin. That is why the Church commands at least weekly mass attendance and highly recommends daily mass attendance. For we love God by keeping His commandments, but we can’t keep his commandments without His grace which takes away our inclination to sin. And if we keep His commandments we experience the happiness of living the way God created us to live. This is not just head knowledge, I have experienced this grace over and over, even before I knew the teachings. I noticed that when I went to daily mass, I seldom committed certain sins that had been giving me trouble. So I looked up the teachings on the Eucharist. That was when I discovered the purpose of the Eucharist. Then when I read Pope Paul VI definition of salvation in “Evangelization in the Modern World”, I remember thinking that I had never heard this definition before. I had no idea this was the definition of salvation. I thought, maybe this is just one aspect of it. So I went to the Vatican website and looked up the word again. And again, I got the same meaning from the other Popes. Of course, part of the definition refers to final salvation, when we enter heaven. But, the primary meaning was always liberation from the slavery of sin. So I checked out the new Catechism. Same definition. I wondered why I had never been taught this. So I scanned the internet looking for Catholic scholars, writers, etc. who understood and taught this definition. Total blank. Nothing. Not a book, article, nothing. I have even challenged others to find a single Catholic scholar who teaches the meaning of salvation with the same meaning that the popes teach. No one could quote me a single Catholic scholar who teachings the same meaning as the Popes.
I used to think that the Baltimore Catechism was the source of this error, because it seems to imply the incorrect meaning, that is , eternal salvation, as primary. But many Catholic scholars today don’t know about it, yet they are still in error. I realized that it is Protestantism that has to use it in the incorrect sense, that is, it has to always interpret salvation as final salvation, in order to use scripture to justify the doctrine of faith alone. And Catholic scholars picked it up. Apologists picked up the wrong interpretation. And the wrong interpretation is used 100% of the time by Catholic writers today. Just look at the sense of the word “salvation” on these forums. It is always used to mean final salvation. Even the term “salvation by faith alone” or “salvation by faith and works” is implicit that salvation means primarily final salvation. Catholic apologists teach correctly that salvation is a process and starts in this life, but they never give the correct definition. Thus the meaning of “going to heaven” or “final salvation” is always accepted by them as the primary meaning.

The ONLY WAY to break through this heresy, is to study the writings of the Popes, starting with Pope Paul VI, who defines it, and especially Pope John Paul II who makes salvation (liberation from the slavery of sin) the central point of everything. And since salvation is through Jesus, he makes Jesus the center of everything he did.
Before I learning the correct meaning of salvation, I could not make sense of his basic teachings. I was thinking one thing, and he was teaching something else. Nothing made sense. But, once I learning the correct definition, and the correct meaning of the word “Gospel”, everything made sense. Now the whole Catholic faith makes sense. Everything is now connected. It is no longer a bunch of separate truths without connections between them. The mass makes sense. The sacraments make sense. The need for constant prayer make sense. The reason the saints prayed so much makes sense. I understand why those who don’t pray and seek God’s will act the way they do.
And of course, this convinces me even more of the uselessness of “scripture alone”. For it is not only Protestants who can’t get the correct meaning, but brilliant Catholic scholars are totally misled. I never read any Catholic scholars anymore, except the very few who understand something of what the Popes teach, such as Cardinal Dulles, who died in 2008
 
Here are some more quotes from the magisterium on the primary meaning of salvation. We need to study them more and more to rid ourselves of incorrect meaning we have learned from Catholic scholars over the years and which has poisoned our understanding of the Gospel, that is, the Catholic faith that comes to us from Jesus Christ.

211.** By giving his life to free us from sin,** Jesus reveals that he himself bears the divine name: “When you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will realize that “I AM”.” [23]
Catechism of the Catholic Church.
  1. Christians believe that “the world has been established and kept in being by the Creator’s love; has fallen into slavery to sin but has been set free by Christ, crucified and risen to break the power of the evil one…”
    Catechism of the Catholic Church.
    WHY DID THE WORD BECOME FLESH?
    456 With the Nicene Creed, we answer by confessing: “For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven…”
    Catechism of the Catholic Church.
  2. By freeing some individuals from the earthly evils of hunger, injustice, illness and death, [274] Jesus performed messianic signs. Nevertheless he did not come to abolish all evils here below, [275] but to free men from the gravest slavery, sin, which thwarts them in their vocation as God’s sons and causes all forms of human bondage. [276]
    Catechism of the Catholic Church.
    601.“He died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures”
    The Scriptures had foretold this divine plan of salvation through the putting to death of “the righteous one, my Servant” as a mystery of universal redemption, that is, as the ransom that would free men from the slavery of sin.
    Catechism of the Catholic Church.
GOSPEL: (short definition)
422. ‘But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.’ This is ‘the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God’
Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Definition of REDEEMER/REDEMPTION:
Jesus Christ, redeemer of mankind. Christ paid the price of his own sacrificial death on the cross to ransom us, to set us free from the slavery of sin, thus achieving our redemption.
Glossary of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. (note: this is not part of the magisterium), but still helpful.

And, indeed, our most indulgent Father has gathered together, through His beloved Son, His children that were dispersed, that being made free from sin and made the servants of justice, we
may serve before him in holiness and justice all our days.’
Roman Catechism, Part 3

One of the memorial acclamations at mass
“Lord, by your cross and resurrection,** you have set us free**. You are the Savior of the World.”
Notice that the prayer says Jesus is the Savior of the World, because “you have set us free.”
Again, the primary meaning of Savior is one who sets us free, free from the slavery of sin, free from the inclination to sin. Savior means one who frees us from the inclination to sin. He does this by His grace, primarily through the Eucharist, which reduces the inclination to sin and increases our love of Him so that we don’t want to sin. The end result is freedom from the slavery of sin.
 
Again, the primary meaning of Savior is one who sets us free, free from the slavery of sin, free from the inclination to sin. Savior means one who frees us from the inclination to sin.
A “Savior” is one who completely rescues (delivers) another from a dire situation. In respect to believers and sin, “saved” means to be delivered from any and all eternal consequences. “Saved” has to do with consequences, not inclinations. It’s the eternal “consequence” of sin that men are in dire need to be saved from. Christ didn’t bear our sins in His body on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24) to save us from an “inclination” to sin, but from the eternal consequence itself. One is not “saved” by sinning less. Else Christ died needlessly.

Only one man ever died because he sinned: Adam. All the rest of us die because we’re born sinners - in him (Rom. 5:12). And only one Man ever died because He bore the sins of ALL the others: The Man Christ Jesus. And the same said:“I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die” (Jn. 11:25-26).And He asked the one to whom He said it:“Do you believe this?”
 
This is the definition from Catholic apologist Matthew Warner who runs an excellent website called Fallible Blogma:

Salvation

In biblical language the deliverance from straitened circumstances or oppression by some evil to a state of freedom and security. As sin is the greatest evil, salvation is mainly liberation from sin and its consequences. This can be deliverance by way of preservation, or by offering the means for being delivered, or by removing the oppressive evil or difficulty, or by rewarding the effort spent in cooperating with grace in order to be delivered. All four aspects of salvation are found in Scriptures and are taught by the Church.

fallibleblogma.com/index.php/justification-vs-sanctification-vs-salvation/

Sounds good to me.
 
This is the definition from Catholic apologist Matthew Warner who runs an excellent website called Fallible Blogma:
Salvation
In biblical language the deliverance from straitened circumstances or oppression by some evil to a state of freedom and security. As sin is the greatest evil, salvation is mainly liberation from sin and its consequences. This can be deliverance by way of preservation, or by offering the means for being delivered, or by removing the oppressive evil or difficulty, or by rewarding the effort spent in cooperating with grace in order to be delivered. All four aspects of salvation are found in Scriptures and are taught by the Church.
fallibleblogma.com/index.php/justification-vs-sanctification-vs-salvation/

Sounds good to me.
Scripture also teaches salvation can mean final salvation. And there are many others aspects of salvation found in scripture and taught by the Church. The problem is not that the Church includes all aspects of salvation in her teaching, the problem is the primary aspect, that is liberation from everything that oppresses man and especially liberation from sin IS NOT TAUGHT as the PRIMARY meaning by any Catholic scholar today. I wish it were. I searched for it. Even if there was one scholar, or a few, it would take more than a few to reverse the decades of erroneous teachings that have been presented as Catholic truth.

One day this will be recognized as one of the most damaging heresies ever taught.

Do you realize that Catholic Scholars today don’t know the primary reason God became man, suffered and died? Because God became man, suffered and died and rose again for our salvation. But, since the overwhelming majority of brilliant Catholic scholars don’t know and understand the primary meaning of salvation, they don’t even know the primary reason God became man.
And thus they don’t know the primary reason Jesus instituded the Eucharist and thus the primary reason for the mass.

The primary way we are freed from the slavery to sin by the grace of salvation, is by lessening or removing concupiscence ( the inclination to sin), and secondarily by increasing our love for Jesus.

"… he has set our freedom free from the domination of concupiscence. And if redeemed man still sins, this is not due to an imperfection of Christ’s redemptive act, but to man’s will not to avail himself of the grace which flows from that act."
Veritatis splendor
Pope John Paul II

Before Adam sinned he had NO concupiscence. The Catechism teaches.
377 The “mastery” over the world that God offered man from the beginning was realized above all within man himself: mastery of self. The first man was unimpaired and ordered in his whole being because he was free from the triple concupiscence254 that subjugates him to the pleasures of the senses, covetousness for earthly goods, and self-assertion, contrary to the dictates of reason.

Once Adams sinned, he was no longer free from concupiscence. He became a slave to sin. Slave means man was no longer free.
The primary reason Jesus became man, suffered, died and rose was to lessen and take away this concupiscence, so that we are no longer slaves to sin. So that we can love God and others the way we should, and thus have happiness in this life. This can only be done by God’s grace, the grace of salvation, sanctifying grace, which lessens and removes this concupiscence. But we need this grace daily, that is why we are supposed to pray daily, and if possible go to mass daily.
When we quit praying and going to mass, we become slaves to sin again.

That is why when Luther quit praying and rejected the teachings of the Church he experienced a slavery to sin. It was such a strong inclination to sin, that he taught, in the end that man has no free will.

As one writer put it:
Luther in his book, The Bondage of the Will(138), Luther wrote:
“Thus the human will is placed between the two like a beast of burden. If God rides it, it will and goes where God wills, as the Psalm says: “I am become as a best and I am always with thee” . If Satan rides it, it wills and goes where Satan wills; nor can it choose to run to either of the two riders or to seek him out, but the riders themselves contend for the possession and control it.”

Without the sacraments and prayer Luther experienced such strong concupiscence that he taught man has no free will at all.

The Church teaches that our free will was very greatly weakened by Adam’s sin, but not totally eliminated. Thus, while teaching we are slaves to sin, it is not an absolute slavery. Thus even the Jews who had not yet received the grace of salvation, had some limited freedom from sin.

The Church teaches the primary reason God became man was to free us from this concupiscence, which makes us slaves to sin, so that we can have a totally free will, and thus obey and love God and others the way we should, and thus obtain happiness.
Again, I wish there was a good Catholic scholar who understood that this is the primary reason God became man. This scholar would be able to understand the Catechism of the Catholic Church and would be able to understand Pope John Paul II teachings and the teachings of Vatican II on the Church. This scholar could help me greatly. As it is, I am trying to teach myself by studying the teachings of JPII. Right now I am studing Veritatis Splendor. But since I never had a theology course in my life, and I am not brilliant, it has been very slow going. And the more I study, the more I realize this freedom from the slavery of sin is extremely important in the teachings of JPII. He says we cannot be free without the truth. The truth that comes from Jesus. It seems only Cardinal Dulles and Ratzinger, before he became Pope, understand and explain the teachings of Pope John Paul II
 
Thank you, dcdurel, once again for your very informative posts.
I too am studying my faith and I empathise with your slow progress observation!
I think its a great thing to undertake ones own research. I have heard it said(by people who are highly attuned to these matters and far more learned than yours truly) that the situation generally here in Ireland viz Church teaching is that it is somewhat weak in relation to urgent and vital issues. For example, in the area of the sanctity of family, the church leaders could be much more fortright.
As for your study of the great works of Pope John Paul 2, I applaud you! He is an excellent teacher. I heard a humourous reference once: imagine you are an athlete training on a running track. You pass by John Paul, thinking you are fitter than he. Yet little do you know he has already lapped you…twice! The point being, we will, in the fullness of time, come to realize the greatness of his teachings.
Salvation is a great mystery and I wish you continued success with your search,
I remain your seeking friend,
Colmcille1.🙂
 
The Church learned the Gospel directly from Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

John 15:15
Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.

John 14:26
But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

Thus, the Chuch did not learn the teachings of the Gospel from scripture. Nevertheless, the Church says we should use scripture to illuminate the teachings, to nourish the teachings and as a witness to the teachings.
Thus here are some scripture verses as a witness to the teachings I have learned from the Church.

“you shall call his name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins. Matt 1:21

Defininition of “save”:
1 to rescue from injury or danger. **Synonymsrescue , deliver , salvage, help *
2
Similar Words*free , release , liberate , extricate * *

Notice the primary mission of Jesus was not to save His people from the fires of hell, (for all they have to do is repent to escape hell), but to save His people** from their sins. **

"Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. " Matthew 20: 28

To ransom means to free a slave, prisoner, captive for a price.
Jesus considers Himself to be the price to free us from being prisoners or slaves to sin.

“He has sent me to proclaim liberty to captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free,” Luke 4:14, 17-21).

Jesus considers us to be captives to sin, blinded by sin, oppressed by sinful ideas.

“for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world” John 12:47
John 8:34
Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin.

“So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.”
John 8:36

How does He make us free? By taking away our concupiscence, that is, our inclinations to sin. Thus we are freed from our slavery to sin.

"Our old self was crucified with him so that…we might no longer be enslaved to sin"
Romans 6:6

Why were we crucified with Him? So we can go to heaven? No, the primary reason was so that we might no longer be enslaved to sin.
 
Hi dcdurel,
I was viewing another correspondents footnote earlier.
It’s from RealCatholicTV.com. I found the video from the the CIA(Catholic Investigative Agency)to be very informative viz your discussion of the abject failure of Catholic teachers and writers to address the true teachings of our faith.
I remain your seeking friend,
Colmcille1.🙂
 
SALVATION COMES FROM THE GREEK WORD SOTERION MEANING RESCUE, SECURITY, EXIT, PERSEVATION AND SOTERIA O SOTERION MEANS FORGIVNESS, PROSPERITY, LIBERTY, SECURITY, LIBERATION, RESTAURATION, HEALTHINESS \

YOU RECIEVE ALL THIS WHEN YOU RECIEVE GOD (JESUS) IN YOUR LIFE! i WOULD WANT TO PRAY FOR YOU AND ETERNAL LIFE THAT HE PROMISE YOU HE SAYS IM THE WAY, THE TRUTH,THE LIFE , NO ONE COMES TO MY FATHER ONLY BY ME!!!

DEAR GOD,
I WANT TO PLEASE OPEN THE EYES OF THE SOULS THAT ARE STILL IN DARKNESS AND CAN’T SEE YOUR LIGHT, FATHER I AS YOU TO PLEASE OPEN THERE EYES LIKE THE EAGLE AWAKES ITS BABYS TO GET UP ON ITS WING AND TAKES THEM UP HIGH ABOVE THE CLOUDS AND LETS THEM GO TO MAKE THEM FLY AND ONLY THEN WILL THEY NOW THE TRUTH ! THANK YOU FATHER FOR THERE LIVES AND BECAUSE YOU WANT TO CHANGE THEM
-AMEN
 
The more I study what the Popes have been teaching, esp. John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI, the more I understand what Jesus taught. Jesus wants us to enjoy the things of this world, but not love them before love of God. After all, He enjoyed good meals, the beauty of the flowers of the field, etc. But, our purpose in life is to seek, know and love God, the source of our true happiness. That is why human beings have been given a free will, and not animals. We are given a free will in order to love God and others. Love of God brings us happiness. Love of the things of this world brings us slavery to those things, which are all **trivial **compared to God. The real reason people love the things of this world is because they are running away from God, because they think things of this world are the source of their happiness. But in giving in to those things, they became slaves to their desires and can’t love others the way they should. They think God wants to take way their happiness, so they begin to reject God, and oppose Him. Then, without God, they can’t love others the way they should, they can’t get along with others, they can’t overcome their faults, addictions, selfishness, etc. and they become more self-centered and more unhappy.
Jesus said “blessed are the poor in spirit”, that is those who love God rather than material things. We love God by following His teachings. The commandments, as taught by the Church, teach us how to live a happly life. Through the teachings on prayer and the sacraments, Jesus give us the grace to enable us to follow the commandments, and the grace that takes away our slavery to sin, to greed, selfishness, love of material wealth, love of always seeking pleasure, frees us from addictions to alcohol, drugs, illicet sex, material things, addictions to TV, sports, etc. We become free for the first time ever. As Jesus said, “So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.” John 8:36 This is the beginning of salvation, that is, liberation from everything that oppresses us, especially liberation from sin and the power of the devil.
John 8:36 His grace, which we receive from the mass and the sacraments, takes away our dislike of others, enables us to bear the faults of others, enables us to love the unlovable, gives us an understanding of ourselves and of others, gives us joy when we do good, and enables us to love God even more,. We can be happy at all times because we can do things for the love of God at all times. God’s teachings no longer are burdens that seem to oppress us, but liberating guidelines that bring us freedom. That is why the bible says over and over that Jesus is the light of the world. He teaches us how to live, and gives us the grace to free us from our compulsions that only bring misery.
The last two Popes have been teaching extensively on truth and freedom, how we can’t have freedom without truth, and Jesus is the truth.
All this is connected with Salvation, “this great gift of God which is liberation from everything that oppresses man but which is above all liberation from sin and the Evil One, in the joy of knowing God and being known by Him, of seeing Him, and of being given over to Him.” Evangelium nuntiandi Pope Paul VI
I know I am repititous, but again, the way I understand it is that when we give ourselves over to love of God, He gives us joy, and through grace Jesus merited, we are then freed from the slavery of our sins, and slavery to our desires and to the things of this world which brings us more joy. We gain self control, mastery over ourselves, we begin to understand ourselves, which brings us more joy. We receive God’s love, which we can then give to others, which brings us more joy. As the Pope’s teach, it is only in God we find the fullness of life and happiness.

But, if we believe the heresy, taught by Catholic scholars, who learned it from Protestants, that the primary meaning of Salvation is that Jesus died to open the gates of heaven, or the primary reason Jesus suffered and died just so we can get to heaven, then we miss all this. We miss the primary reason God became man. We end up believing a corruption of the faith which has little bearing on our lives today, and we can never understand what exactly is the Good News, why Jesus founded a Church and what the Catholic faith is about.
 
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