What is the Catholic view on Near Death Experiences (NDEs)?

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What about those who describe everything that happened, in detail, in their room and even rooms that weren’t in?
Well, that’s the question.

Where is the account of an NDE where verifiable perceptions just can’t be picked apart?

Without that, well, the head does strange things when the breath is cut off.

So form your own judgment.

ICXC NIKA
 
Well, that’s the question.

Where is the account of an NDE where verifiable perceptions just can’t be picked apart?

Without that, well, the head does strange things when the breath is cut off.

So form your own judgment.

ICXC NIKA
Either way, I still think it is weird people have them. What is biological function of hallucinating about an afterlife? Why not just fall asleep? The mind is powerful organ.
 
Either way, I still think it is weird people have them. What is biological function of hallucinating about an afterlife? Why not just fall asleep? The mind is powerful organ.
(Just brainstorming)

Maybe a comforting dream about afterlife avoids a panicked struggle against death, which allows the body’s biological reserves to be conserved for recovery, if possible?

ICXC NIKA.
 
From a Catholic site, but doesn’t shed much light on things:

catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catholic-contributions/new-research-confirms-life-after-death.html

religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/19/proofs-of-heaven-popular-but-not-with-the-church/

I’m extremely skeptical of these experiences myself. After all, as the blog article states they are called near death experiences for a reason: the person did not die. I, personally, don’t believe we enter heaven or have the kind of encounters described until after we die. I don’t believe there’s any coming back to live this life as we know it, although I do believe God allows those who have passed on, for one reason or another, to, at times, visit one of the living in spirit.

I believe, and I may be wrong, of course, that near death experiences are neurochemical reactions, possibly preparing the body for actual death so death will be peaceful rather than frightening. I believe that is why they are so similar. Signals of hunger and sleepiness are all similar, too.

If we are going to put faith in these experiences as encounters with the afterlife, don’t we also have to give some credence to the stories of people who say they know someone who has been reincarnated? I recently saw an episode of “Unsolved Mysteries” in which a grandmother promised a granddaughter she would return to her somehow - these people were Christians, not believers in reincarnation. The granddaughter went on to give birth to a daughter. When the daughter was very young, she accompanied her mother to the grocery store and said, “This is where I came to shop with Nettie.” Nettie had been her grandmother’s best friend, with whom she did, indeed, shop. Reportedly, she also know of a tea shop where she would have tea every day and even knew one of the longtime waitresses there. Of course, to believe all this, one first has to believe that the people are telling the absolute and complete truth, and that they aren’t consciously or subconsciously embroidering it in some way, probably due to wishful thinking.

People desperately want absolute proof that an afterlife does, indeed, exist. I don’t believe they’ll ever get that absolute proof in this life because that would then negate the need for faith. I do, however, believe in an afterlife; I just don’t believe near death experiences are experiences of that afterlife. Other people hold very different ideas, of course, and that’s fine. We all have to come to our own conclusions.
 
(Just brainstorming)

Maybe a comforting dream about afterlife avoids a panicked struggle against death, which allows the body’s biological reserves to be conserved for recovery, if possible?

ICXC NIKA.
I believe something along those lines. I believe they are the brain preparing the body for death, a neurochemical reaction, so death will be peaceful rather than frightening. Modern technology can now pull some people back from the brink of death, whereas years ago it could not. Probably why not many of our grandparents talked of such things, but more and more people do now. A neurochemical reaction would also account for the similarity of the experiences.

In truth, I don’t have any idea what they are. 🤷 I just don’t believe they are experiences of the afterlife because the person did not actually die. That’s not to say that I don’t believe some of the great mystics didn’t glimpse the afterlife. I believe they did, but their experiences are quite different and dissimilar to some extent.
 
I believe something along those lines. I believe they are the brain preparing the body for death, a neurochemical reaction, so death will be peaceful rather than frightening. Modern technology can now pull some people back from the brink of death, whereas years ago it could not. Probably why not many of our grandparents talked of such things, but more and more people do now. A neurochemical reaction would also account for the similarity of the experiences.

In truth, I don’t have any idea what they are. 🤷 I just don’t believe they are experiences of the afterlife because the person did not actually die. That’s not to say that I don’t believe some of the great mystics didn’t glimpse the afterlife. I believe they did, but their experiences are quite different and dissimilar to some extent.
Indeed, although NDE has been attested all the way back to Babylonian times, interest in it has maximized only since the publication of **LIFE AFTER LIFE **in 1977.

In the current generation, everybody is likely to have read or seen (or, if blind, heard) descriptions of these experiences. There would be something in the mind about them, so the more recent the experience, the larger the error-bars will become.

While I have no beliefs about these experiences per se, I am struck how in the past, so many of them (as well as “prophetic” experiences in ancient religions) seemed to be triggered by asphyxial body-states. This suggests to me that **if **these occurrences are physical, they would be connected somehow to lack of breath.

ICXC NIKA.
 
I believe something along those lines. I believe they are the brain preparing the body for death, a neurochemical reaction, so death will be peaceful rather than frightening. Modern technology can now pull some people back from the brink of death, whereas years ago it could not. Probably why not many of our grandparents talked of such things, but more and more people do now. A neurochemical reaction would also account for the similarity of the experiences.
I’d believe that too if these people hadn’t been able to describe what was happening in another room.
 
Should I take that as we can believe in them?
I am fascinated with NDEs and have read quite a few accounts. I always have to base my belief/unbelief in both what the scriptures teach and what the church teaches. If the NDE contradicts neither, then I CAUTIOUSLY think the NDE is both interesting and quite possible–but I would never take any of them as fact.

I recently read a NDE where the person said she saw all of her past lives–including those in which she had been a bug. I totally disbelieve this. Both the church and scriptures agree: “It is appointed for us to die once, and after this comes the judgement.”
 
I’d believe that too if these people hadn’t been able to describe what was happening in another room.
I just plain don’t believe those reports. People get far too emotional over this subject because they want so much to believe that we live on.

I do believe we do, but I don’t believe NDEs are proof of it.
 
I just plain don’t believe those reports. People get far too emotional over this subject because they want so much to believe that we live on.

I do believe we do, but I don’t believe NDEs are proof of it.
Do you think we are ALLOWED to believe in them, as Catholics?
 
The Church doesn’t have to ALLOW everything. We are free beings.

ICXC NIKA
Yeah but there are rules and things that are forbidden. I just wonder if believing in NDEs fall under that category.

Should I take your answer as that yes, the Church allows us to believe in them?
 
We believe Saints have been shown heaven and hell, but others who have NDE’s can’t be real ?

Jim
 
Yeah but there are rules and things that are forbidden. I just wonder if believing in NDEs fall under that category.

Should I take your answer as that yes, the Church allows us to believe in them?
You can Believe… it’s in the Bible…

I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows.And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell.

2 Corinthians 12
 
We believe Saints have been shown heaven and hell, but others who have NDE’s can’t be real ?

Jim
By the fruits ye shall know them.

If the day comes that the recipient of a modern NDE is named to sainthood, I for one will accept the tale of their NDE, as more than the work of a misfiring head.

ICXC NIKA
 
You can Believe… it’s in the Bible…

I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows.And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell.

2 Corinthians 12
I believe that passage to be the origin of the phrase “out of body experience.”

For SP specifically, the idea of being out of body – to the Hebrew mind, the person is the body – would be particularly salient.

ICXC NIKA
 
By the fruits ye shall know them.

If the day comes that the recipient of a modern NDE is named to sainthood, I for one will accept the tale of their NDE, as more than the work of a misfiring head.

ICXC NIKA
How do you know they haven’t been canonized ?

Saint Bernadette saw the Blessed Mother, as she was dying.

She was still alive, but in a coma at that point

Jim
 
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