What is the Church's position on the Intersexed and Transsexed?

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If you do have Kleinfelter syndrome (47xxy Intersex, neither 46xx female nor 47xy male), then the church does not consider surgery to be mutilation. It is silent on the issue, and leaves it up to individual conscience.
I think I would agree with that, taking into account Kleinfelter syndrome to be as follows:

Klinefelter’s syndrome, 47,XXY or XXY syndrome is a condition in which males have an extra X sex chromosome. While females have an XX chromosomal makeup, and males an XY, Affected individuals have at least two X chromosomes and at least one Y chromosome.[1] Klinefelter’s syndrome is the most common sex chromosome disorder.[2]:549, and the second most common condition caused by the presence of extra chromosomes. The condition exists in roughly 1 out of every 500 males.[3]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter%27s_syndrome

When, for example, our eyes is disordered, we pursue methods *to correct the disorder.
*. We do not recognize it is a normal condition, but instead strive to bring it to its normal condition.
 
Hi Zoe!

I have found your story to be quite compelling. I’ve been praying for you (for faith; I think it is a gift you deserve) and for all those with intersex conditions of one sort or another.

You rock! 👍

I hope imacatholic contacts you. He may want to contact the canon lawyer that made the original postings too, I’m sure she would be happy to talk to him privately.
 
To Zoe and others,

I am deeply flattered that you are suggesting folks on this forum contact me. However, other than what I have posted, there is little else of any practical use that I can do.

I have suggested to folks here how to interpret what the church says when it makes pronouncements, and in Zoe’s case I hope that I was able to provide her and others like her some insight and hopefully some peace that wasn’t there before. However, other than reading the various church documents and reading Zoe’s particular posts (and the posts of others), I have little experience in dealing with this area, and no experience in actual counseling - pastoral counseling is well beyond my area of competence. I’m fundamentally a lawyer, not a counselor.

At best, you can take my posts with you (and your medical records or a doctor’s explanation) if you are in a situation of having to explain your condition to various church authorities. But your best bet is for you (or you and your parents) to try to find a pastoral local priest that you trust, present him with your medical evidence (and my posts if you think they would help), and see if he would be willing to act as a local spiritual counselor. Imacatholic47, I think I would let your parents and your therapist try to help you find an appropriate person to speak to, particularly if you discover that you do have Klienfelter’s syndrome. You need someone local, not someone off a forum to talk to.

I wish you all the best, and certainly keep you in my prayers.
God Bless, Gretta
 
To Zoe and others,

I am deeply flattered that you are suggesting folks on this forum contact me. However, other than what I have posted, there is little else of any practical use that I can do.
To be fair, it was me that suggested contacting you, not Zoe. :o

Sorry if I caused any confusion by doing so.
 
I’m just concerned that someone help this young person. Who doesn’t matter.

You can read about how “50% of transgendered youth self-harm before age 20”, but it doesn’t really hit you until you’ve seen the scars on a teenager’s wrists. Because cutting themselves causes a pain that distracts them from their awful situation. Mere physical pain is seen as by far the lesser of two evils, and I confess it breaks my heart whenever I see their wounds,

I was once 15, like this youngster. I never self-harmed, and never contemplated suicide. Oh yes, my life was a sad, terrible joke, a horror and a burden. But… I could still gain a victory by helping someone else whose life was not definitely and irrepairably blighted, for whom there was still hope.

I don’t care who helps this youngster, They just need Hope though, and understanding, and compassion. Because without those, they die.

Not on my watch though, not this youngster.

Please see what they are doing. They are asking for help here. They have an awful, unbearable condition, but they’ve been left with the impression that to seek treatment for it is inherently sinful. They must choose between Life, and consequent sin, or Death, and the sin of suicide. They don’t want to sin, and that’s more important than life itself to them. They don’t value life very highly.,

In a desperate attempt to find another way, a way that leads to Life, and yet without being required to commit a deadly sin to win that, this youngster has come here. For guidance. And if anyone ever had any claim on the Church’s help, this person does. If anyone ever deserved, and ever needed help, this youngster does.

And all she’s got is a very weak reed in myself, someone who doesn’t even pretend to have Faith. Well, if He exists, He can make bricks without straw, and just maybe someone unworthy of the name “Christian” can still be an instrument of His will. God, Heavenly Father, if you exist, may I or anyone else here please, please, please be able to help. Thy Will be done, And if You don’t exist, then I’m as well qualified as anyone else, so will do what I can anyway.

imacatholic47, I assure you there’s hope. Many have been in your situation, and come out of it free of guilt, and able to Live. Contact me, Ok?

Hugs, Zoe
 
I’m just concerned that someone help this young person. Who doesn’t matter.

You can read about how “50% of transgendered youth self-harm before age 20”, but it doesn’t really hit you until you’ve seen the scars on a teenager’s wrists. Because cutting themselves causes a pain that distracts them from their awful situation. Mere physical pain is seen as by far the lesser of two evils, and I confess it breaks my heart whenever I see their wounds,

I was once 15, like this youngster. I never self-harmed, and never contemplated suicide. Oh yes, my life was a sad, terrible joke, a horror and a burden. But… I could still gain a victory by helping someone else whose life was not definitely and irrepairably blighted, for whom there was still hope.

I don’t care who helps this youngster, They just need Hope though, and understanding, and compassion. Because without those, they die.

Not on my watch though, not this youngster.

Please see what they are doing. They are asking for help here. They have an awful, unbearable condition, but they’ve been left with the impression that to seek treatment for it is inherently sinful. They must choose between Life, and consequent sin, or Death, and the sin of suicide. They don’t want to sin, and that’s more important than life itself to them. They don’t value life very highly.,

In a desperate attempt to find another way, a way that leads to Life, and yet without being required to commit a deadly sin to win that, this youngster has come here. For guidance. And if anyone ever had any claim on the Church’s help, this person does. If anyone ever deserved, and ever needed help, this youngster does.

And all she’s got is a very weak reed in myself, someone who doesn’t even pretend to have Faith. Well, if He exists, He can make bricks without straw, and just maybe someone unworthy of the name “Christian” can still be an instrument of His will. God, Heavenly Father, if you exist, may I or anyone else here please, please, please be able to help. Thy Will be done, And if You don’t exist, then I’m as well qualified as anyone else, so will do what I can anyway.

imacatholic47, I assure you there’s hope. Many have been in your situation, and come out of it free of guilt, and able to Live. Contact me, Ok?

Hugs, Zoe
And You may contact me too! And to think there were two people in my transsexual thread one has 29 and one has 502 in their names, saying this isn’t important or real sufferiing. Shame on those two!
 
I’ve just been looking through the posts I’d missed, all discussing this “Zoe” person.

Wow,

OK, a few items from my medical history.

I had bleeding every month at about age 12 through my urinary tract. The diagnosis at the time was a recurrent urino-genital tract infection. On the balance of probabilities, I believe this diagnosis was correct, as the ultrasounds showed no sign of any cervical structure connected to the urinary tract. I’m rather glad of that, as the next test would have been reverse-flow analysis of the urinary tract, which is what is used in such cases. We cannot completely dismiss the possibility that such a structure did at one time exist, but it is unlikely.

At age 20, I had “anomalous tissue” removed from my abdomen. I went in for gallbladder surgery, but while I was there, they opened me up from crotch to sternum, and removed a number of structures. Leaving me with what looks exactly like a radical hysterectomy scar.

If ovarian tissue was removed, as seems possible, it would almost certainly have been dysfunctional. I noticed no change to my hormonal balance, so if there were ovaries there, they weren’t working at the time. Unfortunately the records were misplaced, as is extremely common in such cases, “to spare the patient anguish”.

It is also possible that the structures were a cluster of soft tissue sarcomas, as I was led to believe at the time. Yet I had no follow-up radiation therapy, as was standard in such cases.

So, did I have working ovaries, womb and cervix? Perhaps. Again, on the balance of probabilities, I think not. Probably either atrophied tissue, or mere clumps of cells. But I can’t say for certain. Certainly there was no vaginal opening.

On the balance of probabilities, I think the tissue removed was merely cancerous, but could very well be wrong.

A friend of mine who lives in Germany, and was the first person to get her birth certificate amended in the UK even before the recent Gender Recognition Act, had PMD syndrome. She looked male, and had fathered a child. When she had her sex reassignment surgery, the surgeons found a cervix, womb, and a single ovotesis, similar to the one she had in her scrotal sac. They also found a teratoma, an encysted foetus due to self-fertilisation. The child had no chance of life as there was no vaginal opening, and had been partially re-absorbed.

Persistent Mullerian Duct syndrome (PMDS) leads to “true hermaphroditism”, but ones which are doubly fertile are extremely rare, one in several million. My friend’s case is the only one on record where a “virgin pregnancy” happened.

Moving right along to my own situation… after the surgery in 1980, I went to a Fertility Clinic in 1985. As the result of a simple androgen series (blood test of hormone levels) and an external physical examination, I was diagnosed as a mildly intersexed male, with PAI syndrome. PAIS can only be diagnosed by an external exam even now. PAIS-1 is the lowest grade, resulting in a male appearance but with anomalies. PAIS-7 or CAIS, Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, is the most common form, and results in an ultra-feminine body, as the patient is totally immune to the effects of male hormones. She could be injected with enough testosterone to turn the Dallas Cheerleaders into the Dallas Cowboys, and it would have zero effect. Such women have vaginas, but no cervic, womb or ovaries. They do have two testes internally. Miss Teen USA 1991 had CAIS - such women look like supermodels, ultra-feminine as I said.

In 2005 I had a female puberty in fast-forward. My natural hormonal levels changed to female norms, but the body changes were far too fast to be accounted for merely by hormone levels. Something odd was happening at the cellular receptor level. I lost 1/3 of my body mass in 3 months, changed shape, my eye colour changed (a result of high levels of oestrogen, it happens to some pubescent girls), and various skin conditions I’d had since puberty cleared up overnight. The metabolic stress was severe, and it’s possible that the condition is usually fatal.

After MRI scans, blood tests, genetic tests, ultrasounds, etc etc my medical team revised the diagnosis. In such cases, the labels “male” and “female” are approximations, but it was decided that the most accurate diagnosis was “severe androgenisation of a non-pregnant woman”, and treatment was commenced on that basis.

It’s nearly 4 years on, and after more tests than I can count, all known possibilities have been excluded, including the weird combinations such as having both (masculinising) CAH syndrome with (feminising) CAI syndrome, a 1 in 200,000 chance.

I do not have any of the standard, well-known Intersex conditions, but as 1 in 3 cases of Intersex are “idiopathic”, meaning “we have no idea why this has happened”, this is not that unusual.

Both my parents families hail from neighbouring villages in Derbyshire, England, one of the few places on the planet with no free iodine in the environment. Centuries of evolutionary pressure has led to a genepool full of interesting mutations to the thyroid and other glands, and my relatives on my mother’s side appear to have the same kind of mutation as a gene pool in Milano, Italy. They have fatally high cholesterol levels, but no ill effects from that. I’ve certainly inherited that gene ( ApoA-I Milano ). I also have a very high chance of having the CCR-25a mutation, which would make me immune to Bubonic Plague, Smallpox, HiV, Nile Valley, Ebola, Marburg, and a few others. I have no wish to try the experiment though.

Our best guess, and guess it is, is an as-yet unidentified mutation or combination of mutations that has caused this. But we really don’t know, and even a $100,000 complete genetic workup would be unlikely to find it.

I have no idea what sex agangbern would assign to me under these circumstances.
 
There are 5 criteria recognised in law and medicine for assigning sex.
  1. Primary sex characteristics - defectively female (no cervix, womb etc)
  2. Secondary sex characteristics - unequivocally female
  3. Hormone balance - unequivocally female
  4. Chromosomes - mostly male, but chimerality or mosaicism can’t be completely ruled out.
    5 Neurology - unequivocally female.
So I have 3.5 female, 1.5 male currently.

Before the change, the score would have been
  1. Defectively male, and possibly defectively female as well
  2. Male with a few skeletal anomalies (typical of PAIS-1)
  3. Male
  4. Male mostly, probably completely
    5 Female
For a total of 1.5 female, 3.5 male.

I self-identify as an Intersexed woman who was formerly transsexual, but transitioned naturally.

Make of that what you will, I figure that whatever a dictionary definition might be, anyone whose sex characteristics are so muxed-ip is Intersexed. I also believe that the only definition of “male” and “female” that makes sense and covers all Intersex conditions is based on the neurology and no other criterion.

The Church teaches that gender is innate and immutable.I agree completely, and will even go so far as to say it’s set at about the 12th week of gestation, when the lymbic system of the brain first starts to develop. All of the other criteria are mutable by circumstance, genetic or environmental accident, or by human intervention. Yes, even the chromosomes - a pregnant woman carrying a boy child will have some cells in her bloodstream from the foetus, so a simple karyotype or genetic test may show she is male. She temporarily becomes a mosaic.

The Church also teaches that surgery to alter the body does not alter the innate gender. I agree there too. Neurology is all, external shape nothing.

Finally the Church teaches that sex reassignment surgery may be moral in extreme cases to relieve distress - which I take to mean when the body shape and neurology don’t match, a hideously uncomfortable situation for the patient.

I don’t agree though that everyone is either male or female. A number of people have neurology that fits neither stereotype well. They almost always have very severe Intersex conditions as well, so their gender is indeterminate. Not a "third sex: so much as “neutral”.

I fit the gender binary extremely well. Not everyone does though, and it would be uncharitable given their ambiguous bodies for anyone to arrogantly assign them a gender that cannot fit. 1 Corinthians 13 applies. Love God. Be Kind. All else is commentary.

Matthew 22:35-40:
35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying,
36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
And if you ever have an exegesis of scripture that causes conflict with either of these, you’ve got it wrong. Love God. Be Kind.

God Bless,
Zoe
 
There are 5 criteria recognised in law and medicine for assigning sex.
  1. Primary sex characteristics - defectively female (no cervix, womb etc)
  2. Secondary sex characteristics - unequivocally female
  3. Hormone balance - unequivocally female
  4. Chromosomes - mostly male, but chimerality or mosaicism can’t be completely ruled out.
    5 Neurology - unequivocally female.
So I have 3.5 female, 1.5 male currently.

Before the change, the score would have been
  1. Defectively male, and possibly defectively female as well
  2. Male with a few skeletal anomalies (typical of PAIS-1)
  3. Male
  4. Male mostly, probably completely
    5 Female
For a total of 1.5 female, 3.5 male.

I self-identify as an Intersexed woman who was formerly transsexual, but transitioned naturally.

Make of that what you will, I figure that whatever a dictionary definition might be, anyone whose sex characteristics are so muxed-ip is Intersexed. I also believe that the only definition of “male” and “female” that makes sense and covers all Intersex conditions is based on the neurology and no other criterion.

The Church teaches that gender is innate and immutable.I agree completely, and will even go so far as to say it’s set at about the 12th week of gestation, when the lymbic system of the brain first starts to develop. All of the other criteria are mutable by circumstance, genetic or environmental accident, or by human intervention. Yes, even the chromosomes - a pregnant woman carrying a boy child will have some cells in her bloodstream from the foetus, so a simple karyotype or genetic test may show she is male. She temporarily becomes a mosaic.

The Church also teaches that surgery to alter the body does not alter the innate gender. I agree there too. Neurology is all, external shape nothing.

Finally the Church teaches that sex reassignment surgery may be moral in extreme cases to relieve distress - which I take to mean when the body shape and neurology don’t match, a hideously uncomfortable situation for the patient.

I don’t agree though that everyone is either male or female. A number of people have neurology that fits neither stereotype well. They almost always have very severe Intersex conditions as well, so their gender is indeterminate. Not a "third sex: so much as “neutral”.

I fit the gender binary extremely well. Not everyone does though, and it would be uncharitable given their ambiguous bodies for anyone to arrogantly assign them a gender that cannot fit. 1 Corinthians 13 applies. Love God. Be Kind. All else is commentary.

Matthew 22:35-40:

And if you ever have an exegesis of scripture that causes conflict with either of these, you’ve got it wrong. Love God. Be Kind.

God Bless,
Zoe
Thanks Zoe. (got tears now)
 
The Church also teaches that surgery to alter the body does not alter the innate gender. I agree there too. Neurology is all, external shape nothing.

Finally the Church teaches that sex reassignment surgery may be moral in extreme cases to relieve distress - which I take to mean when the body shape and neurology don’t match, a hideously uncomfortable situation for the patient.

I don’t agree though that everyone is either male or female. A number of people have neurology that fits neither stereotype well. They almost always have very severe Intersex conditions as well, so their gender is indeterminate. Not a "third sex: so much as “neutral”.

I fit the gender binary extremely well. Not everyone does though, and it would be uncharitable given their ambiguous bodies for anyone to arrogantly assign them a gender that cannot fit. 1 Corinthians 13 applies. Love God. Be Kind. All else is commentary.

Matthew 22:35-40:

And if you ever have an exegesis of scripture that causes conflict with either of these, you’ve got it wrong. Love God. Be Kind.

God Bless,
Zoe

Zoe, I thank you for the research and valuable information you have given us. I am confused about some of the things and words you used in your descriptions. The bottom line however for me is that God is Love and Love is what we are to imitate. God has been teaching me this over the years thru situations that have been uncomfortable with family members in the homosexual lifestyle. Which is not what this conversation is about from what I glean.
I’m thinking now that some homosexual behavior may be due to these conditions you describe, but still don’t think that should give a person license to be promiscuous and be offended when vulgar and lascivious behavior is not tolerated. Then we that are not of this behavior are called homophobes.
As for the questions I have about what you have mentioned, you said that" Neurology is all and body shape nothing". What exactly do you mean by Neurology? If that is what a person thinks he or she should be, can that be distorted by outside influences, like child sexual abuse? It is hard for me to think that everyone that claims to be homosexual is intersexed.
The bible refers to Eunichs is that part of what you are talking about when you said you don’t believe there are just female and male?
You Zoe, are one courageous person and I can see Love in your letters. I pray one day you will consider becoming Catholic because you are what are church teaches!
Bless you! Ryckie
 
I’ve just been looking through the posts I’d missed, all discussing this “Zoe” person.

Wow,

OK, a few items from my medical history.

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OMG, obviously, if there is anyone that is here for a purpose, you are the one!!
There’s no way that anyone could conceivably label you TS or anything else.
Thank you for being here.

God bless you,
Rachel
 
As for the questions I have about what you have mentioned, you said that" Neurology is all and body shape nothing". What exactly do you mean by Neurology?
I man that literally - the biological configuration of the brain, and at the cellular level.

We have no good scientific grasp of exactly what happens, let alone why it happens, when it comes to the early brain development in the womb. We have ideas, approximations, hypotheses but that’s all. We do know from observation that there are two main patterns that are followed - male and female - though there are degrees in each, and some fit neither typical stereotype.

For example, in the female pattern, there are more cellular receptors for some neurotransmitters than in the male pattern. Which is why in adulthood, women are 8 times more likely to suffer from some depressive illnesses than men.

We think it’s also why chocolate can be an orgasmic experience for women too - while men tend to be able to “take it or leave it alone” 😃

I can recommend Dr Veronics Drantz’s powerpoint presentations on the subject, where she explains the link between biological structures, sex, sexual orientation and gender.

Biology is destiny when it comes to instinct. But we have minds that can over-rule our instincts. We cannot help how we instinctively feel or don’t feel, but we are responsible for our actions.

This thread is about Intersex and Transsexuality, not sexual orientation. The only area of sexual orientation which we absolutely know has a biological causation is when children show cross-gendered behaviour long before puberty. Then they’re either pre-TS (1/3) or pre-Gay(2/3). I think Dr Drantz is correct, and I think the predictions based on her model will be found to be true in future experiments. But until they’re done, we can only say that it’s a very, very plausible theory but with insufficient evidence to prove it as yet.

I’d rather not discuss the biological basis (or otherwise) of sexual orientation, as it’s so controversial, and likely to confuse the issue too much.

While it is common to place moral blame on the Intersexed for their condition indirectly, due to :“sins of the fathers” or “sins in past lives”, it is rare that the individual themselves are deemed morally culpable. I’ve only come across three people who thought that it was due to sins committed by the child while still in the womb. Rather more who believed in the heresy of predestined damnation, or that these are the “spawn of Satan”, not really human at all. The latter, while very few in number, view killing us as not just justifiable, but mandatory, and do so whenever they can get away with it.

The Church’s position on Transsexuality appears to be that it’s a form of illness - either Intersex or Madness - but I think it’s fair to say that the vast majority of the Catholic clergy and laity see it as being nothing more than moral reprehensibility, justifying condign punishment of the most severe kind. Certainly that is the attitude of most non-Catholic churches.

Homosexuality is another issue, and I really don’t want to open that can of worms!
 
The Church’s position on Transsexuality appears to be that it’s a form of illness - either Intersex or Madness - but I think it’s fair to say that the vast majority of the Catholic clergy and laity see it as being nothing more than moral reprehensibility, justifying condign punishment of the most severe kind. Certainly that is the attitude of most non-Catholic churches.
Zoe, Although there are people within the Catholic Church that may spout such nonsense, the Catholic Church Catechism says about Homosexuality *
“They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. {which I take to mean they suffer} They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives - - - - -”. I believe moreso with a physical handicap which is what I think I’m hearing Transexuality is.

All life is to be regarded a sacred. God created us, we belong to Him and it is only our choices that can take us away from Him. He will never leave us but we can make choices to push Him away and with confession of Sins He is there as always more than ready to hold us closer than ever! That is what I believe the Catholic Church teaches.

God is using you to educate the “Pharisaical” Christian! Thanks Zoe!
Let me know if you think I’m wrong, I can take it! Bless you, Ryckie*
 
God is using you to educate the “Pharisaical” Christian!
I’m very wary of claiming that God is using me for anything. I find that those who claim to be doing God’s Will, well, for the most part they’re only doing what they want to do, and claiming Divine sanction for it.

I don’t claim that God is on my side. I think it more important that I try to be on His, however imperfectly.

If I’m being used - and that is a big If… then it would be in the same context as the blind man in John 9:1-3:
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
I don’t doubt that the Almighty (if He exists) can arrange things so that even such a weak reed as a woman who lacks faith in Him, a most imperfect vessel, might yet be an instrument of His Will. Well, maybe. But if so, it would be despite my many imperfections, not because I’m worthy of the honour. That’s not humility, for I know I’m terribly egotistical and arrogant (and did I mention Prideful?), that’s realism. And any lesson wouldn’t be from anything I’ve said or done, it would just be from a really rare medical condition I happen to have. Something I was born with. Not something I can claim either credit or blame for.

But enough about me. I’ve been blessed, and privileged, and I should be doing a heck of a lot more than I do do for those who haven’t been as blessed as I have. They’re the ones who matter here. Those in need.

Thanks though. It’s what I strive to do. If only I was better at it! This is a job for a Saint, you know? Not someone like me.

Zoe
 
I’m very wary of claiming that God is using me for anything. I find that those who claim to be doing God’s Will, well, for the most part they’re only doing what they want to do, and claiming Divine sanction for it.
I don’t claim that God is on my side. I think it more important that I try to be on His, however imperfectly
There are people that make alot of “claims” where God is concerned, yes, but that is why I stand with the Church and it’s teachings. I believe they are God inspired because there are so many things that point to that. Like the Bible, the Apostles and what they taught, the disciples of the Apostles and the historic proof there was a crucifixion of a man named Jesus. Not to mention, my personal relationship with Him. He does show me, even through suffering how much He loves us all the time. He also lets me rant and rave at Him and he even has used me sometimes to help others know His love. I wasn’t even aware of it at the time. I am not a Saint! I am just a human being just as messed up as the next person.
Jesus lineage should prove how he uses 'cracked pots", Rahab was a prostitute, David was an adulterer and murderer, etc, etc.
Zoe, God is on all of our sides, including you. And you are right it is important to be on His side. For OUR sake, not His. He is God, we are not and He doesn’t expect us to be. He will always be waiting with open arms! He is Big enough to cover us all. And you do have Him in you already, because I hear love and compassion in your letters. He is love! He gives compassion and expects us to!
Blessings to you, Ryckie [female]
 
Does the Church still recognize that in extreme cases of gender dysphoria reassignment is a valid treatment? I have read that this is still the case but have never seen any difinitive statement to that effect.
 
Thanks though. It’s what I strive to do. If only I was better at it! This is a job for a Saint, you know? Not someone like me.
And who, my dear, do you think the Saints are? Yup, people like you.

Ditto everything Ryckie said so beautifully.
 
Does the Church still recognize that in extreme cases of gender dysphoria reassignment is a valid treatment? I have read that this is still the case but have never seen any difinitive statement to that effect.
Hopefully I’ll be able to answer that in another week or two. I’ve spoken with my parish priest and he’s looking into it.

Rachel
 
Hopefully I’ll be able to answer that in another week or two. I’ve spoken with my parish priest and he’s looking into it.

Rachel
The priests I had spoken with were sympathetic to my situation but never mentioned exceptions in extreme cases. One thought that prior to 2003 individual situations were considered as pastoral decisions but none had any experience with a parishoner dealing with this issue. I hope you get good news.
 
The priests I had spoken with were sympathetic to my situation but never mentioned exceptions in extreme cases. One thought that prior to 2003 individual situations were considered as pastoral decisions but none had any experience with a parishoner dealing with this issue. I hope you get good news.
Hi Hun,

My priest is aware of the CNS article re:the Vaticans position that in “extreme cases” it morraly OK. He’s just going to see if he can get something closer to the source as aposed to a third hand article.

Rachel
 
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