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Namesake
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That isn’t at all true and it certainly isn’t charitable. The empty cross is a very significant symbol, even to Catholics. Just as the crucifix is very important to some Protestants.
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Rightlydivide
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Not sure if the earliest Christians agree with you on that, they did use the Cross as well…
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Namesake
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Did you notice that the cross on the steeple of most churches, including Catholic are empty? There are many other examples of empty crosses. It’s not an empty symbol.
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2ndGen
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I like that you said that. I’ve said it and have been called an idol worshipper and a lier. But you saying that shows me that you have a true Christian heart.
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I’m sure they did.
I used to see these big anchor/cross/crucifix combinations and was disgusted by them…I considered them blasphemous.
Then I found out that during pre-Constantinian days, the Christians used to “hide” their crosses in the anchor emblem so that other Christians would recognize them as Christians.
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Namesake
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That is like the tattoo I have on my right shoulder. An anchor, with a cross hidden in it. For me, the anchor and cross are a really cool combination of symbols.I like that you said that. I’ve said it and have been called an idol worshipper and a lier. But you saying that shows me that you have a true Christian heart.
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I’m sure they did.
I used to see these big anchor/cross/crucifix combinations and was disgusted by them…I considered them blasphemous.
Then I found out that during pre-Constantinian days, the Christians used to “hide” their crosses in the anchor emblem so that other Christians would recognize them as Christians.
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gcnuss
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2ndGen,
The cross, without the sacrifice of Jesus, has little meaning – or maybe it has more than we think.
Jesus used the image of the cross as the burden of those who would follow him: “…whoever does not take up the cross and follow me is not worthy of me.” (Matthew 10:38, with similar passages in Mark and Luke). The cross, with its association with cruel death, was a part of Jesus’ description of what it would mean to follow him – the path would not be easy.
We, of course, have the advantage of knowing “the rest of the story.”
The cross, without the sacrifice of Jesus, has little meaning – or maybe it has more than we think.
Jesus used the image of the cross as the burden of those who would follow him: “…whoever does not take up the cross and follow me is not worthy of me.” (Matthew 10:38, with similar passages in Mark and Luke). The cross, with its association with cruel death, was a part of Jesus’ description of what it would mean to follow him – the path would not be easy.
We, of course, have the advantage of knowing “the rest of the story.”
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Namesake
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Can I assume that you mean that “we” means Christians?
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deacon_d
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Actually I think it’s this.
Actually I think it’s this.
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Namesake
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To me it says this is what was done, but He is not here.
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2ndGen
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(Proof that Catholics and non-Catholics can learn Christian things from each other)
I never saw it that way!
Beautiful!
Yes, the cross anchoring us and our lives.
I heard of one guy who had a huge almost full body cross tatooed across his left shoulder.
Get the symbolism?
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2ndGen
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Right there, it’s a “symbol” to me
(nothing wrong with that),
but what is it “here”?
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2ndGen
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The cross without Christ (to me) is a symbol, a logo.
The Cross “with” Christ is The Reason.
(Wow…just typing that choked me up.)
The Cross “with” Christ is The Reason.
(Wow…just typing that choked me up.)
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Roman_Catholic_1
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“…we preach Christ crucified: unto the Jews indeed a stumbling block, and unto the Gentiles foolishness.” 1 Cor. 1:23
Who am I to disagree with Paul?
God bless
Who am I to disagree with Paul?
God bless
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2ndGen
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Namesake
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As do all Christian denominations.
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2ndGen
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To us, the cross without Jesus is a logo.
A symbol.
The Cross “with” Jesus is Victory.
To look at “a” cross is to look at a torture device.
Thieves and criminals were crucified before, during and after Jesus.
But only “one” Cross matters…the one He died on.
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Namesake
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I really think you are wrong. The cross with Jesus doesn’t reflect the resurrection. To me that’s the important part of the whole deal. Resurrection.
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2ndGen
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It wasn’t the Ressurection that paid for our sins, but His death.
The Cross with Jesus represents The Slaughtered Lamb.
The Sacrifice.
The Victory over sin that He gives us isn’t in His rising, but in His dieing.
Again, what does an empty cross say about the thieves?
Nothing.
It’s not the cross, but The Man on The Cross that makes the difference.
Crosses existed before, after and during Christ, but only “one” had Christ on it is the one that matters.
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