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hi zerinus, nice to see you here, I haven’t been on here for a while, happy new year to u xxxWe believe that Christ = God Almighty; so maybe we are not that far appart!
zerinus
alright i made the yahoo squad! despite that title, i can easily refute any mormon claims with verifiable facts as i have for years here. stop the missionary efforts here and watch the “yahooing” disappear.
Smith claimed an angel showed him where to dig for hidden golden plates, on a hill.
He was arrested for inciting a riot, which occurred when the Expositor printing press was destroyed, on Smith’s order, for printing the truth about his polygamous affairs. Which up to that point, he had denied (lied).
I suppose to earn your respect, because you have insulted my prophet, I guess I should attack Mohammed, but I won’t because I am a Christian. We believe in peace. Your post is inconsistent.
You must feel threatened by my posts to be so aggressive. I am sorry you feel that way. I am not here as a missionary. You would only feel that way if my posts were threatening to you.
actually i don’t mind your posts so much as zerinus. you have no idea how i feel. threatened is certainly incorrect. annoyed…maybe.all mormons participating in any public forum on religion are in missionary mode. i object to the deceit that usually flows from attempts to clarify mormon doctrine.
You should see the results when he clarifies Catholic doctrine over on the MAAD board.
** mfbukowski, Your post was directed to paarsurrey. I hope paarsurrey will not disrespect any one. But the point is, we heard that Joseph smith was killed in year 1851 A.D., soon after he claimed to be a messenger of God. That was too soon. If he had lived longer time and preached his philosophy, he could have been considered as a messenger. But he was killed soon. That was not good (for him) for his messengership / prophethood.
True. Joseph didn’t go to a mountain. He went into a grove of trees.
Uhmn…Actually, Joseph was murdered in 1844, after he turned himself in, having been promised that he would be protected. Turns out, though, that the very militia that was supposed to have protected him formed a great part, if not most, of the 200 member mob that shot him.
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The Simularities between Mormons and Islam**, is that they had prophets that created a book, that seems to be more important than the bible. Would be an interesting year if the Mormons, and Muslims traded the Qur’an with the Book of Mormon for a day.
Well, as far as I know, Islam doesn’t use the bible at all, so the Qur’an would be more important. However, the Mormons consider the Book of Mormon to be equal to the bible; it is to the bible what the New Testament is to the Old Testament, or what Matthew is to John; another Testament of Christ. Not more important by any means, but not less important, either.
As for your suggestion–well, if we were to trade scriptures for a day, the Muslims would have to take the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price and the Doctrine and Covenants. All WE would get is the Qur’an. I think that the Muslims might complain of an unequal exchange just by weight, if nothing else!
Diana
That proves you are as ignorant about Mormonism as you are about the Bible. Joseph Smith was a prophet longer than Mohamed claimed to be! Joseph Smith was called to be a prophet when he was fourteen years old; and died when he was thirty eight, having accomplished his mission. That makes him a prophet for 24 years. Mohamed, according to Islamic histories, was forty when he was called to be a prophet, and died at the age of 63; that makes him a prophet for 23 years. One year less than Joseph Smith!
That is a ridiculous objection to bring. Many great prophets of the past have been martyred for God. You could argue the same for Mohamed. He died at 63, which is too early. According to tradition he was poisoned. If God loved him and wanted him to be his prophet, He could have made him live longer!
**You have shown weakness in your arguments as usual for the mormons. I only knew that Joseph Smith was killed in Year 1851 A.D. Perhaps it is right. No harm. According to you he started preaching his message at the very young age of 14. I am surprised and admit my ignorance about all this.
That is a ridiculous objection to bring. Many great prophets of the past have been martyred for God. You could argue the same for Mohamed. He died at 63, which is too early. According to tradition he was poisoned. If God loved him and wanted him to be his prophet, He could have made him live longer!
**Again another shot from you at Muhammad. You want to avoid the verse Deut 18:18 to be applied to Jospeh Smith. Then what use is that verse? It is particularly for the false prophets. How can Jospeh Smith get out and away from that punishment from God. It is God who told about that and it is the will of God which cannot be averted.
My deepest apologies for the repeat: Joseph Smith Jr. was killed in June of 1844.
which militia? there is some evidence that JS had called up the nauvoo legion to rescue him and thought they wold get there in time.
wow that ignores a lot of facts. i hardly think a mayor has the legal right to destroy a newspaper because it prints the true story of his adulterous affairs and coverup attempts. have you read that issue of the expositor?
prevailing thought? according to who? many mormons were outraged at what JS had been doing. from those who were swindles out of land and money (like kirtland antibank fiasco) to those who were tired of him hitting on their wives and daughters. then there were the area nonmormons who felt threatened by rigdon’s salt of the earth speech, Js being anointed “king”, Js being general of one of the largest local militias in the US…JS was out of control and needed to be reigned in by the law. it is unfortunate that vigilantes (who may well have been mormons) shot him.
oh i think emmas issues with BY had a lot more to do with money since the RLDS (with emmas help) ended up with the copyright to JS bible translation, the kirtland temple and a few other choice bits of property.
might want to read more than just a wee it and get the story straight.
nobody really knows when/if the grove visit took place as multiple accounts have been found that vary greatly on this. none were published until many years later and the only one written in josephs own hand certainly isn’t even close to what is currently published. the only “fact” we have here is when he died. even so should we compare him then to jim jones and david koresh to see which self proclaimed restorationist “prophet” carried out his ministry the longest before a violent death?
