What is the difference between Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?

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Would like some help here on definitions.

My understanding is being Pro-Life is the polar opposite of being Pro-Choice.
I also think the term Pro-Abortion is completely synonymous with Pro-Choice, just more candid is the explicit belief.

Pro-Life: No abortions are acceptable
Pro-Choice/Abortion: Each woman has the right to choose, without justification, and the procedure is legally available.

This question comes from another thread where posters were claiming if you allow a single abortion then you must be ‘Pro-Abortion’. For example, Poland only allows abortion in the cases of Rape, Incest, or Life of Mother. Though this does not meet full Pro-Life criteria, a woman does not have the right to choose. I think it’s a grave misnomer to insist Poland is Pro-Abortion/Pro-Choice.

Thoughts?
How do you label countries or candidates which accept the sin in very limited circumstances?
 
I stand by your choice to post whatever you like. I don’t stand by your every post.

See the difference?
 
my non-Catholic sister-in-law is “pro-choice” but believes abortion is wrong.

meaning, she would never do it herself, but doesn’t think men have a right to tell women what they can do (even though she thinks it’s wrong)

Personally, I think the whole idea is ridiculous. You either believe that abortion is murder or not.

Murder should not be a matter of political opinion or different values.

People who are pro-life (like me) believe that abortion is murder, plan and simple.

People who are pro-choice but think abortion is wrong, do not think abortion is murder. This group of people are confused due to political propaganda.

People who are 100% pro-abortion think abortions are progress. They think abortion moral or they don’t have morals themselves. These are also the people who feel it’s ok to kill the sick and elderly. And they often feel that doctors should help people who want to kill themselves so they can die in a “dignified way”
 
One who is “pro” (for) the ability to choose abortion (the murder of a child in the womb) - is in real way “pro abortion”.
 
phil19034 said:
my non-Catholic sister-in-law is “pro-choice” but believes abortion is wrong.

meaning, she would never do it herself, but doesn’t think men have a right to tell women what they can do (even though she thinks it’s wrong)

Personally, I think the whole idea is ridiculous. You either believe that abortion is murder or not.

Murder should not be a matter of political opinion or different values.

People who are pro-life (like me) believe that abortion is murder, plan and simple.

People who are pro-choice but think abortion is wrong, do not think abortion is murder. This group of people are confused due to political propaganda.

People who are 100% pro-abortion think abortions are progress. They think abortion moral or they don’t have morals themselves. These are also the people who feel it’s ok to kill the sick and elderly. And they often feel that doctors should help people who want to kill themselves so they can die in a “dignified way”
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This is a pretty accurate explaination.
 
Some people like the term “pro-choice” because it makes them feel better about themselves because “pro-abortion” sounds to harsh.

The ironic thing is, most people that call themselves “pro-choice” are quite anti-choice when it comes to
  • Being able to own a gun
  • Being able to pick the public school your kids attend
  • whether or not to join a union
 
So Poland is Pro-Choice, or at least Pro-Abortion?
I’d say they lean hard Pro-Life with a couple rare exceptions that are Pro-Abortion.

I don’t mean to congratulate them, but they are very different than say Russia where abortion is another form of contraception.
 
You really don’t see the difference?

I think Catholicism is almost entirely 100% incorrect. However, I think you have the right to the free practice of religion (unless you force me to act in accordance with your beliefs).

Am I pro-Catholicism?
 
TheCuriousCat said:
You really don’t see the difference?

I think Catholicism is almost entirely 100% incorrect. However, I think you have the right to the free practice of religion (unless you force me to act in accordance with your beliefs).

Am I pro-Catholicism?
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why not just answer my question, straight out.
 
Theo520 said:
why not just answer my question, straight out.
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I thought I was extremely clear.

I am in favour of you having the option. Not in favour of one option over the other.

I’m not happy when women have abortions. I don’t get a kickback or commission. If no woman ever had an abortion, I’d be fine with that. I’m certainly not in favour of women trying to get pregnant too have abortions. I’m in favour of them having a choice.

I’m for people being able to practice their religion. I’m certainly not pro-religion, even though that is the direct result of them having the freedom to practice it.
 
TheCuriousCat said:
I thought I was extremely clear.
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When I took English, they taught to use examples to illustrate and expand upon your response, not completely replace it. Here is a more straightforward question for you. Answer it explicitly before adding possibly cryptic examples

Poland only allows abortion in the cases of Rape, Incest, or Life of Mother. They do not offer abortion on demand, as in the US or Russia.
Do you consider Poland to be Pro-Choice (Pro-Abortion) or Pro-Life?
 
Pro choice is pro abortion.

But don’t let pro life off the hook too easily. There are many Catholic pro lifers who, rightfully so are against euthanasia, but there are many Catholics who are against abortion and assisted suicide but are for capital punishment.

It’s a sanctity of life thing…if you are NOT against capital punishment you are only a little bit pro life…

Being a little but pro life is like being a little bit dead!

You either are or you aren’t!
 
Neofight said:
Pro choice is pro abortion.

But don’t let pro life off the hook too easily. There are many Catholic pro lifers who, rightfully so are against euthanasia, but there are many Catholics who are against abortion and assisted suicide but are for capital punishment.

It’s a sanctity of life thing…if you are NOT against capital punishment you are only a little bit pro life…

Being a little but pro life is like being a little bit dead!

You either are or you aren’t!
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While the Church is predominantly pro-life, there are exceptions that per your logic prove the Church is not pro life. Yes, one may still take life under certain situations per Church teachings:
Just War Doctrine
Legitimate Self Defense

Thus I would say the RCC is Pro-Life, qualified with limited exceptions. Same for Poland, but with more exceptions.

I would take from this that using broad simple labels is misleading and thus inappropriate. The labels are likely used to manipulate rather than clarify what one believes.
 
Neofight said:
Pro choice is pro abortion.

But don’t let pro life off the hook too easily. There are many Catholic pro lifers who, rightfully so are against euthanasia, but there are many Catholics who are against abortion and assisted suicide but are for capital punishment.

It’s a sanctity of life thing…if you are NOT against capital punishment you are only a little bit pro life…

Being a little but pro life is like being a little bit dead!

You either are or you aren’t!
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The term pro-life arose primarily as describing opposition to abortion. It was expanded to include opposition to euthanasia as well. I don’t support the death penalty myself (although for other than the usual reasons), but I think that those who do support it would say that in some cases they would support the death penalty for convicted murderers but not for innocent unborn children. (For example, they would oppose giving the child of a rapist the death penalty for his father’s crime.)
 
TheCuriousCat said:
I thought I was extremely clear.

I am in favour of you having the option. Not in favour of one option over the other.

I’m not happy when women have abortions. I don’t get a kickback or commission. If no woman ever had an abortion, I’d be fine with that. I’m certainly not in favour of women trying to get pregnant too have abortions. I’m in favour of them having a choice.

I’m for people being able to practice their religion. I’m certainly not pro-religion, even though that is the direct result of them having the freedom to practice it.
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Why aren’t you happy when woman have abortions? What is it that makes you unhappy about it? Would you say you are unhappy when someone chooses to practice a religion or to not practice a religion–or would you be neutral regarding that?

For those of us who are pro-life, we believe the unborn child is a human and that it’s right to life should be protected just as any other human’s is. When we say that a women shouldn’t be able to have an abortion we don’t see it as any different than telling a woman she can’t stake her unwanted child out on the hillside or throw it into a chasm on the local mountain–of course if our society keeps moving in the direction it appears to be heading then perhaps this will become an acceptable practice in the future–of course we will sanitize it and probably have some kind of infant disposal unit in our hospitals so that no one has to see it.

Why is it that so many pro-life people will say that we should work to minimize abortion or that while they believe it should be legal–they would never have one? If there is nothing wrong with abortion why should we work to minimize the number of them? Why should anyone be against having one? If people don’t think we’re really killing a human being–what are the grounds for suggesting we should seek to minimize abortions? If an abortion is a “healthcare” decision akin to removing a skin cancer–why should anyone be unhappy about someone having an abortion?

The peace of Christ,
Mark
 
Pro-Abortionists call it “Pro-Choice” to make themselves sound “fair.” It sounds softer, and they’re always looking for ways to flatter themselves, while they do wicked…While those of us who hate evil are called all kinds of awful, untrue names. Names more befitting for these wicked softies.
 
Crown_of_Stars said:
Pro-Abortionists call it “Pro-Choice” to make themselves sound “fair.” It sounds softer, and they’re always looking for ways to flatter themselves, while they do wicked…While those of us who hate evil are called all kinds of awful, untrue names. Names more befitting for these wicked softies.
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Actually, it’s because they are in favour of women having the choice. Hence the name: pro-choice.
 
MarkInOregon said:
Why aren’t you happy when woman have abortions? What is it that makes you unhappy about it? Would you say you are unhappy when someone chooses to practice a religion or to not practice a religion–or would you be neutral regarding that?
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Why wouldn’t I be happy when women I care about go through an embarrassing, painful medical procedure that is potentially dangerous, they might feel conflicted about, and large swathes of society would judge them harshly for it? Because I’m not a heartless jerk. I also know they don’t want to have an abortion, they want to not be pregnant.
For those of us who are pro-life, we believe the unborn child is a human and that it’s right to life should be protected just as any other human’s is.
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I’ve heard.
When we say that a women shouldn’t be able to have an abortion we don’t see it as any different than telling a woman she can’t stake her unwanted child out on the hillside or throw it into a chasm on the local mountain
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That you can’t see the difference between a cluster of non-sentient cells inside someone else’s body and a completely separate human being is beyond me.
–of course if our society keeps moving in the direction it appears to be heading then perhaps this will become an acceptable practice in the future–of course we will sanitize it and probably have some kind of infant disposal unit in our hospitals so that no one has to see it.
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You really are misreading the way society is going.
Why is it that so many pro-life people will say that we should work to minimize abortion or that while they believe it should be legal–they would never have one?
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Because there are easier ways to not be pregnant.
If there is nothing wrong with abortion why should we work to minimize the number of them? Why should anyone be against having one? If people don’t think we’re really killing a human being–what are the grounds for suggesting we should seek to minimize abortions? If an abortion is a “healthcare” decision akin to removing a skin cancer–why should anyone be unhappy about someone having an abortion?
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See above reasons.
 
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