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7_Sorrows
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remind me never to move to that part of Texas!
What is the difference between Southern Baptists and Independent Baptists?
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7_Sorrows
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thanks for the link. i guess the statement “we are not ecumenists” sums it up. doesn’t sound like they want to continue any dialogue with the Catholic church. kind of sad after 30 years.
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Calgar
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They are? Wow, I better get on the ball then.
Seriously, where do you get your info? A cereal box?
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7_Sorrows
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what does a cereal box have to do with it? i don’t know a lot of southern baptists,They are? Wow, I better get on the ball then.
Seriously, where do you get your info? A cereal box?
but that is the impression that i have gathered - they don’t agree with the Catholic church on many things.
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andrewstx
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I am not 7sorrows, but will answer for her. I get my info on S Baptists anti-Catholicism from years of personal experience. All the S Baptists, well at least the huge majority I have know have been anti-Catholic. As I said it is common to hear “are you a Christian or a Catholic”, like they were two different things.They are? Wow, I better get on the ball then.
Seriously, where do you get your info? A cereal box?
Baptists and other members of fundamental denominations seem to think they are the only Christians, everyone who hasn’t “got saved” is not Christian to them, regardless of whether they have been baptised and participated in the sacraments.
Catholics to them are “UNSAVED” and are targets for proseletyzing, but they call it evangelising.
I sincerly wish things were different, but unfortunately they are not.
. That’s just the way things are in the South.
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7_Sorrows
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thanks for having the courage to be honest.I am not 7sorrows, but will answer for her. I get my info on S Baptists anti-Catholicism from years of personal experience. All the S Baptists, well at least the huge majority I have know have been anti-Catholic. As I said it is common to hear “are you a Christian or a Catholic”, like they were two different things.
Baptists and other members of fundamental denominations seem to think they are the only Christians, everyone who hasn’t “got saved” is not Christian to them, regardless of whether they have been baptised and participated in the sacraments.
Catholics to them are “UNSAVED” and are targets for proseletyzing, but they call it evangelising.
I sincerly wish things were different, but unfortunately they are not.
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GaryTaylor
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Amen, coming from the North and then living in the South for years, this just becomes immediately apparent. Of course its not everyone. But there’s an existing issue there by large which cannot, nor shouldn’t be overlooked. Its immediately apparent. And all to often its the one spewing the predjudice/hate which catchs all the attention. The sheep follow, though some shake their heads is disbelief and walk away.I am not 7sorrows, but will answer for her. I get my info on S Baptists anti-Catholicism from years of personal experience. All the S Baptists, well at least the huge majority I have know have been anti-Catholic. As I said it is common to hear “are you a Christian or a Catholic”, like they were two different things.
Baptists and other members of fundamental denominations seem to think they are the only Christians, everyone who hasn’t “got saved” is not Christian to them, regardless of whether they have been baptised and participated in the sacraments.
Catholics to them are “UNSAVED” and are targets for proseletyzing, but they call it evangelising.
I sincerly wish things were different, but unfortunately they are not.
The motivating goal is the personal ministers containing the flock and lining his pocket with YOUR money by a proposed and preached untruth as mentioned above.
Certainly isn’t Christian Love. its disquised as such through a accute understanding of the Bible. And a often manipulated understanding of Bible. When one comes up with a profitable rap, you’ll see the next minister copy the orators ability and points. This is nothing new in public speaking, its just a Bible added to the equation. Its called the Gift of Gab. And its used all to often to manipulate. When it promotes hate its in particular disturbing. Bad enough people are being hustled for their money in the name of God. The hate in the equation is just way over the edge.
And of course its not all the ministers, and thats why followers bounce from church to church. However you have heard the saying “The squeaky wheel gets all the attention?”
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MaryandJoseph
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Long story short.
When I withdrew my son’s from a Southern Baptist church, the preacher said that I was leading them “Straight to Hell” because we started attending a local Catholic parish
Like another poster said earlier, Southern Baptist are anti-Catholic. Independent Baptists are Major ANTI-Catholic,least that is the way it is here in my part of Tennessee.
When I withdrew my son’s from a Southern Baptist church, the preacher said that I was leading them “Straight to Hell” because we started attending a local Catholic parish
Like another poster said earlier, Southern Baptist are anti-Catholic. Independent Baptists are Major ANTI-Catholic,least that is the way it is here in my part of Tennessee.
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GaryTaylor
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Yes, and as I mentioned above. I have found the American Baptists to be non anti anything. They don’t preach hate. I have not witnessed this. Very much on the contrary. However I have only witnessed the Three Baptist Church in CT and PA where childhood friends of mine are ministers. For sure these are good people who do not have that prejudice mindset with Christains let alone ethnics or race nor anything else. If we didn’t see past all that early on, we couldn’t still be close friends decades later. Its impossible. In fact they teach the exact same ideals/values/morals in life I teach. Of course on a Christian/Biblical level the difference in Catholic/Protestant exists. However I have fantastic conversations with these guys which are very enlightening and spiritual for all of us, and always confirms our better thinking. Of course we were close friends before the religious dialogue reached an in depth level. Its a reflection of correct teaching in there Churchs today which I admire. Be it Protestant or not. Get to this point and we will figure the rest out together.Long story short.
When I withdrew my son’s from a Southern Baptist church, the preacher said that I was leading them “Straight to Hell” because we started attending a local Catholic parish
Like another poster said earlier, Southern Baptist are anti-Catholic. Independent Baptists are Major ANTI-Catholic,least that is the way it is here in my part of Tennessee.
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CompSciGuy
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I don’t think that racism is as big of an issue anymore as some of you guys are making it out to be. Also I don’t know what SBC’s you guys have been going to. I have been to many and they have all been very mild, and most of the people there aren’t anti-catholic. Granted they all have pretty large congregations and the larger the congregation the more mild they are likely to be. But most of them will say that all that matters to them is that you have a personal relationship with Jesus.
Also I don’t equate disagreeing with Catholic theology as being anti-Catholic. Anti-Catholic in my opinion is where you truly believe that Catholics are going straight to hell, you believe in many lies about the Catholic Church and theology, and you actively try to convert Catholics out of the Church. There are some members within the SBC like that but for the most part I haven’t seen that.
For the guy from west texas, it is bizarre that you live in a community like that. I can see that happening with independent baptists, but not most southern baptists. are you in a smaller town? I think in most of the bigger towns they aren’t that way.
Also I don’t equate disagreeing with Catholic theology as being anti-Catholic. Anti-Catholic in my opinion is where you truly believe that Catholics are going straight to hell, you believe in many lies about the Catholic Church and theology, and you actively try to convert Catholics out of the Church. There are some members within the SBC like that but for the most part I haven’t seen that.
For the guy from west texas, it is bizarre that you live in a community like that. I can see that happening with independent baptists, but not most southern baptists. are you in a smaller town? I think in most of the bigger towns they aren’t that way.
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ltwin
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I have to agree with CompSciGuy. Granted there are people who will always preach hate, but in my experience the Southern Baptists are pretty mild, especially if they have big and historical churches. The smaller churches pastored by less educated ministers may easily fall into bad theology, but on the whole they are not Anti-Catholic.
However, I think what may offend Catholics is the evangelical practice of witnessing and reaching out to “lapsed” Catholics. If we don’t see you going to church or living a Christian life, we are going to witness to you and try to get you to come to our church. In our minds, we are not disrespecting Catholicism because for us, there is not such thing as being “lapsed.” Either you are a Christian or you are not, and there is no middle ground. I would never, and I know few people who would, tell a faithful and practicing Catholic that they are going to hell unless they come to my church.
However, I think what may offend Catholics is the evangelical practice of witnessing and reaching out to “lapsed” Catholics. If we don’t see you going to church or living a Christian life, we are going to witness to you and try to get you to come to our church. In our minds, we are not disrespecting Catholicism because for us, there is not such thing as being “lapsed.” Either you are a Christian or you are not, and there is no middle ground. I would never, and I know few people who would, tell a faithful and practicing Catholic that they are going to hell unless they come to my church.
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Calgar
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Wow, seems there is a lot of “personal experience” in dealing with southern baptists here.
Sorry you’ve all seemed to have such horrible experiences.
Trust me most of what you point out as “all” of us is not doctrinal or true.
Would you want me to take some bad experiences I’ve had with catholics and claim that it’s ALL catholics?
Sorry you’ve all seemed to have such horrible experiences.
Trust me most of what you point out as “all” of us is not doctrinal or true.
Would you want me to take some bad experiences I’ve had with catholics and claim that it’s ALL catholics?
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CompSciGuy
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I personally really like the southern baptists that I know. I feel like southern baptists are one of the few remaining denominations that still take a strong stand on moral issues today, and they’re definitely good at their mission-and-service-related work.
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Zooey
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I think of them as a hate group, too. In fact, I personally believe that they only use the word “church” to describe themselves because it gives them some freedom from taxes, & because they use the freedom of religion as a way to get away with what they do.
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sambos671
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All baptist churches are “independent” or autonomous. The difference is that a Southern Baptist church will donate a percentage of their earnings or finances and give to the Southern Baptist Collective organization which then uses the money to support missionaries etc. In order to be a “member” your autonomous church must not only support the orginization but hold to a basic set of beliefs.
Independent churches send out their own missionaries. Most Independent Baptist have fundalmentalist leanings are very legalistic and it is in these groups you’ll see KJOism whereas the Southern Baptist churches are more progressive. Southern Baptist don’t count out the Catholic Church and sometimes play with catholic ideas.
Does this help?
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Zooey
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I have not had a lot of experience with Southern Baptists.I will therefore simply thank CompSci Guy & move on to:
I personally really like the southern baptists that I know. I feel like southern baptists are one of the few remaining denominations that still take a strong stand on moral issues today, and they’re definitely good at their mission-and-service-related work.
Independent Fundamentalsit Baptists–
I have had a lifetime of exposure to them, & as dear as many of those I know are to me, I will never understand why anyone would want to become one.
In my experience, IFBs believe:
- Catholics are not Christians, they are a pagan religion.
- Southern Baptists are not Christians, because they have “gone out from [them]”. (I have no idea how a whole denomination in the Southern US managed to “go out from” a small church in Upstate NY
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3.Methodists “may” be Christians, but only if we leave the Methodist Church & join their small church in NY. (I have heard this discussed in re: yours truly. Apparently I am a Christian “in spite of” being UMC.
4.You cannot be a Christian if you: smoke, drink, swear, send your children to public school, fail to beat your children with a *literal" rod, eat out on Sunday, or associate with known sinners on a regular basis.(Known sinners= you & pretty much everybody you know) - They all believe that the world is going to end, probably in the next 15 minutes, & that all of us reading/writing here will be Left Behind.
- All other major denominations are not Christian religions either. Especially Episcopalians & Lutherans. (Any sort of liturgy is verboten).
- A lot of other equally :bigyikes: :frighten: :takeoff: :whackadoo: :jrbirdman: things.
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Zooey
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Aaaccck!!! Aaaaaaaaarrrrrgggggghhhhhh!!!
How could I have left out KJV Only??
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Its the End Of The World, I tell you!!
Its the End Of The World!!!
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sambos671
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Yep it can be the cornerstone of their church depending on the church.
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rft183
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This is funny. Mostly because it’s spot on… When I was attending a church in the American Baptist Association (not to be confused with ABC), my IF Baptist mom would constantly tell me I needed to start going to an “Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Church where they preach the Word of God!”I have not had a lot of experience with Southern Baptists.I will therefore simply thank CompSci Guy & move on to:
Independent Fundamentalsit Baptists–
I have had a lifetime of exposure to them, & as dear as many of those I know are to me, I will never understand why anyone would want to become one.
In my experience, IFBs believe:
- Catholics are not Christians, they are a
- Southern Baptists are not Christians, because they have “gone out from [them]”. (I have no idea how a whole denomination in the Southern US managed to “go out from” a small church in Upstate NY
3.Methodists “may” be Christians, but only if we leave the Methodist Church & join their small church in NY. (I have heard this discussed in re: yours truly. Apparently I am a Christian “in spite of” being UMC.
4.You cannot be a Christian if you: smoke, drink, swear, send your children to public school, fail to beat your children with a *literal" rod, eat out on Sunday, or associate with known sinners on a regular basis.(Known sinners= you & pretty much everybody you know)- They all believe that the world is going to end, probably in the next 15 minutes, & that all of us reading/writing here will be Left Behind.
- All other major denominations are not Christian religions either. Especially Episcopalians & Lutherans. (Any sort of liturgy is verboten).
- A lot of other equally :bigyikes: :frighten: :takeoff: :whackadoo: :jrbirdman: things.
She barely speaks to me now that I’m Catholic.
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Zooey
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Yeah, its bizarre.
I can’t see the attraction to that kind of religion…It makes me feel kinda sick to think of believing you are the one & only “right” believing & therefore everyone else is lost foreever.:console:
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