What is the difference?

[Yours_Truly]

I have another question because of what you stated above
Because of your loyalty to the Papacy–how do you or any other pre-Vatican II catholics reconcile the CC once saying no one can be saved outside the CC to they can but under certain circumstances?
Thanks

Although it is the exception, a person can be united to the Catholic Church without appearing to be so. In such a case, they could be saved through their union with the Catholic Church.

A person who was completely sincere, baptized, and doing their best to follow Christ, can possibly be united to the Catholic Church as long as they have not knowingly rejected its teachings.

Regarding Traditional and non-Traditional Catholic. Unfortunately, Liberalism has invaded the Church. Traditional Catholics are those who have not been influenced by this spirit of Liberalism.

One of the many hallmarks of Liberalism is that it makes a rule out of the exception, and thereby destroys the rule. We find an example of this with “no salvation outside the Church”. They focus so much attention on the “possibilities”, and “exceptions”, and “might or could be’s” that they end by deny the rule. In the past, the Church focused on the “rule” and rarely mentioned the “exception”.

 

[JW55]

Don’t oversimplify. Even assuming unity in the essential of faith, traditionalists and nontraditionalists tend to differ in opinion about things besides liturgy. That’s just the one front on which traditionalists are generally pretty unified.

Other differences that I can think of are dress and sacred science. Traditionalists tend to be more conservative and Thomist.

Could you further explain what you men by the term “Thomist”?

Thanks.

 

[Dempsey1919]

Could you further explain what you men by the term “Thomist”?

A “thomist” is a person who has studied the work of St. Thomas Aquinas, and has embraced this particular brand of philosophy and theology. Thomism is a school of philosophy that is considered to be very important in the formation of priests in the traditional fashion.

 

[Yours_Truly]

A “thomist” is a person who has studied the work of St. Thomas Aquinas, and has embraced this particular brand of philosophy and theology. Thomism is a school of philosophy that is considered to be very important in the formation of priests in the traditional fashion.

And as an important antidote to the subtle and poisonous errors of the modernists.

Pope Pius X: "Against this host of grave errors, and its secret and open advance, Our predecessor Leo Xlll, of happy memory, worked strenuously, both in his words and his acts, especially as regards the study of the Bible. But, as we have seen, the Modernists are not easily deterred by such weapons. … We, therefore, Venerable Brethren, have decided to suffer no longer delay, and to adopt measures which are more efficacious. We exhort and conjure you to see to it that in this most grave matter no one shall be in a position to say that you have been in the slightest degree wanting in vigilance, zeal, or firmness. And what We ask of you and expect of you, We ask and expect also of all other pastors of souls, of all educators and professors of clerics, and in a very special way of the superiors of religious communities.

In the first place, with regard to studies, We will and strictly ordain that scholastic philosophy be made the basis of the sacred sciences. … And let it be clearly understood above all things that when We prescribe scholastic philosophy We understand chiefly that which the Angelic Doctor [St. Thomas] has bequeathed to us, and We, therefore, declare that all the ordinances of Our predecessor on this subject continue fully in force, and, as far as may be necessary, We do decree anew, and confirm, and order that they shall be strictly observed by all. In seminaries where they have been neglected it will be for the Bishops to exact and require their observance in the future; and let this apply also to the superiors of religious orders. Further, We admonish professors to bear well in mind that they cannot set aside St. Thomas, especially in metaphysical questions, without grave disadvantage. On this philosophical foundation the theological edifice is to be carefully raised. (Pasciendi).

 

[brotherhrolf]

Forgive me but I do not know all the abbreviations you are using.
What isHMC
EF
OF

heh–I do know tlm=-the latin mass:thumbsup:

Thank you BTW

HMC is Holy Mother Church. EF is Extraordinary form or TLM. OF is Ordinary form or NO.

 

[jblake]

ALLFORHIM;:

heh–I do know tlm=-the latin mass:

Technically, TLM is Tridentine Latin Mass. The NO can be said in Latin, but it is not a Tridentine Mass. (I’ll grant I am being very picky in making that statement.)

jonathon

 

[latinmasslover]

Between a Tradionalist and Non-tradionalist catholic?

Thanks

Traditional Catholics prefer the days before Vatican II, with all the holy traditions, practices, devotions… We are faithful to all the teachings of the Church, prefer the Tridentine Mass, follow the Old Calendar, and still pray to St. Patrick. Non-traditional Catholics adhere to the teachings of the Church, but are…how do I say this…less fervent (? ) for the old ways. They are very pro-Vatican II, but do not support the abuses and misinterpretations…the “spirit” of Vatican II, if you will. They likely prefer the New Mass, though without the abuses. Then we have liberal “Catholics.” These are not in fact Catholics, and are, spiritually speaking, untrustworthy. Hope this helped a little.

 

[weepixie71]

traditionalists like to hold onto their catholicism. they do not like to do things the way other religions do them. it is not to say protestants do not have good ideas, just that their ideas do not belong in a catholic mass. they do not like change in any aspect of their religious life including the rosary. traditionalists do not get dressed up to go to church they get dressed up to go to God’s house and dress by His rules not ours. traditionalists do not go to mass to be a participant but to be a witness. traditionalists kneel before Jesus Christ as we take Him on our tongue and not stand before Him like we are an equal.

 

[ALLFORHIM]

HMC is Holy Mother Church. EF is Extraordinary form or TLM. OF is Ordinary form or NO.

Thanks:thumbsup:

 

[ALLFORHIM]

traditionalists like to hold onto their catholicism. they do not like to do things the way other religions do them. it is not to say protestants do not have good ideas, just that their ideas do not belong in a catholic mass. they do not like change in any aspect of their religious life including the rosary. traditionalists do not get dressed up to go to church they get dressed up to go to God’s house and dress by His rules not ours. traditionalists do not go to mass to be a participant but to be a witness. traditionalists kneel before Jesus Christ as we take Him on our tongue and not stand before Him like we are an equal.

Thank you

 

[ALLFORHIM]

Traditional Catholics prefer the days before Vatican II, with all the holy traditions, practices, devotions… We are faithful to all the teachings of the Church, prefer the Tridentine Mass, follow the Old Calendar, and still pray to St. Patrick. Non-traditional Catholics adhere to the teachings of the Church, but are…how do I say this…less fervent (? ) for the old ways. They are very pro-Vatican II, but do not support the abuses and misinterpretations…the “spirit” of Vatican II, if you will. They likely prefer the New Mass, though without the abuses. Then we have liberal “Catholics.” These are not in fact Catholics, and are, spiritually speaking, untrustworthy. Hope this helped a little.

Thank you