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MissyB786
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It is the same God, there is already a discussion on another thread about it.
and I would gladly be a ‘slave’ of God so that I can be in His company in the next life.
The western definition and Islamic definition of slave r 2 different things. I submit to God, that he has control of my life, not me, I can plan to go study, work, buy a house etc… but at the end of the day it is all under God’s control and it might work out smoothly if He permits it or go pear shaped for my own good, so I can learn other lessons in life -so I am a slave to him and would gladly be.
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MissyB786
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concretecamper
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actually, Father is a name not used for allah… is it?
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MartinJordan
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I don’t think there are many Muslim scholars or even clerics who accept God as Father. Closest is they can accept is being a child of God; they can’t connect to the next step using their human reasoning. Probably because they don’t believe God can beget.
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famdigy
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I’m not sure what Christians mean when they call God “The Father”. Is that because they believe him to be Father of Christ or because they see Him as a loving father to all his creation? Would love to understand what Christians mean by Father.I don’t think there are many Muslim scholars or even clerics who accept God as Father. Closest is they can accept is being a child of God; they can’t connect to the next step using their human reasoning. Probably because they don’t believe God can beget.
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From the Islamic point of view God is known by his 99 titles. Although we don’t call him father by title we do acknowledge he has fatherly traits.
For example, a father is supportive and loyal. A few of God’s titles that describe this would be “The Provider”, “The Protector”, and “The Sustainer”.
A father allows his kids to make mistakes. We know God as such by his other names i.e. “The Forgiving” and “The Gentle”.
A good father is also a good disciplinarian and so we know God as “The Judge”, and “The Reckoner”
A good father loves his children and so we know God as “The Loving One”
A good father teaches his children lessons and so we know God as “The Guide” and so on and so forth.
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LtTony
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Missy did not say Muslims call God/Allah “Father.” She said exactly the opposite in fact if you look at her quote. She put ‘Father’ in parenthesis to make that distinction.
Better understandings among different faiths is difficult enough without people mis-reading what our non-Catholic guests have posted.
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pmoo
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I know many Muslims and I have discussed this with them. They do not believe in the trinity. However, they believe Jesus performed miracles,and they believe in the virgin birth of Jesus, along with some other similarities.
A student once gave me a booklet in which the author compared Islam, Christianity, and science. There were several instances when all three were in accord and even more when science and Islam were.
As someone else said, they believe Jesus, like (their prophet )Mohammed, was a prophet.
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expounder
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I’m just showing how your beliefs have been distortedYou really should stop using the Bible that present day Muslims say is not the original scripture.
Plus proof texting should be avoided.
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and it is highly likely you’d take notice of a book other than the bible >_>
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MartinJordan
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LOL! Tradition made the Bible. People who lived through the persecutions.
The Bible needs an interpreter. Certainly not by some who came 630 years later.
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Augustine3
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*They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. – Surah 5:73
it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son – Surah 19:92
Allah has not taken any son, nor has there ever been with Him any deity. [If there had been], then each deity would have taken what it created, and some of them would have sought to overcome others. Exalted is Allah above what they describe [concerning Him]. – Surah 23:91
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him – Surah 112:1-4*
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Sam_777
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https://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon13.gif** No not ONLY the pagan of Quraish, from that same link:**
*(3) The word used is “O kafirs” and not “O mushriks”; therefore, the addressees are not only the mushriks but all those people who do not acknowledge Muhammad (upon whom be Allah’s peace and blessings) as Allah’s Messenger and the teachings and guidance brought by him as the teaching and guidance given by Allah Himself, whether they be Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians or the disbelievers, polytheists and pagans of the entire world. There is no reason why this address be restricted to the pagans of Quraish or of Arabia only.
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concretecamper
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Missy said “we worship the father” then said we don’t call him the father. which is it? If you don’t want people to mid quote…then be clear.
Also…we call God Father because we ARE his adopted sons. Yes, in all ways he is our Father…he is not like a father.
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Augustine3
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My friend, have a read of the link below:
newtheologicalmovement.blogspot.com.au/2011/05/did-jesus-know-day-and-hour-of.html
Summarised briefly:
Furthermore, Jesus withheld this information for a specific reason “It is not for you to know the times or seasons that the Father has established by his own authority” Acts 1:7
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expounder
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You are not God’s adopted son, you are his creation, in other words he is your master
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Sam_777
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Who are we (humans) to tell GOD not to have adopted son !!!
You know expounder, that concept reminds me of another satanic concept which tells an ancient myth which had happened in heavens when GOD ordered the Angels to bow to Adam and they all bowed to Adam except Satan, and when GOD asked Satan why you did not bow to Adam, Satan replied:
“Oh Mighty God, you had ordered us not to bow to anyone except you, so I’m still following your orders”. Then GOD was happy with him and appointed him as a Chief.
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expounder
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Adoption is a manmade concept, why God would need to adopt someone defeats me
With regards to the ‘satanic cult’ i have no i dea of what you’re talking about because that is certainly not what i believe in.
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Sam_777
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If adoption is a man-made concept, then slavery is GOD-made concept https://forums.catholic-questions.o...catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon4.gif
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expounder
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Define Slave :One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household.
Even the definition has been changed to relate to us humans because God is not a person or part of a household. Though the the word itself has some negative connotations all it means is that we obey the one true god.
Yet even this is optional because God has given us freewill to decide what we want to do. However as we both know disobeying God leads us to hellfire.
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