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Sam_777
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I have to sign-off now (talk to you tomorrow), but I will leave you with this verse of Quran and notice the word “ONLY”
:(Quran 51:56):
**"I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me." **
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:(Quran 51:56):
**"I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me." **
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expounder
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Yes…and if we don’t serve God we have failed in our duty of obedience and will be thrown into the hellfire.I have to sign-off now (talk to you tomorrow), but I will leave you with this verse of Quran and notice the word “ONLY”
(Quran 51:56):
"I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me."
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jakasaki
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Hi Fam:
If you read Matthew chapter 6: and read verse 6 all the way down to 15:
6“But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.
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7“And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.**
9“Pray, then, in this way:
‘Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
10‘Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.
11‘Give us this day our daily bread.
12‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. [For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’]
14“For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly **Father **will also forgive you.
15“But if you do not forgive others, then your **Father **will not forgive your transgressions.
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We are instructed by Jesus to call God “our Father”
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expounder
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Is father simply the polite way of saying God to make the person feel close to him?
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Holly3278
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I don’t know how to answer this question specifically but if you want to learn about what Catholics believe about the Trinity then please take a look at these articles:
New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia - The Blessed Trinity
Catholic Answers - God In Three Persons
Catholic Answers - The Trinity
Christians, Muslims, and the “One God”
May God bless you and lead you to the fullness of the Truth found only in the Catholic Church which was founded by Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God, in 33 AD.
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jakasaki
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expounder
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So if we are all regarded as ‘his children’ alongside Jesus, then in terms of actuality we aren’t actually his children so Jesus is not actually the son of God.
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jakasaki
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Not true:
In Matthew 3.17 God said:
And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."
This is the only place in the Bible where God has made this statement.
So Jesus is the Son of God!
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nmgauss
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Do “Son of Man”, “Native Son of the Golden West”, “Son of God”, “Son of David” have the same connotation?
Does “Daughters of the American Revolution” connote that a daughter was actually begotten by the American Revolution?
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nmgauss
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What did Matthew 3.17 mean in the original Greek?
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jakasaki
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17 καὶ ἰδοὺ **φωνὴ **ἐκ τῶν **οὐρανῶν **λέγουσα οὗτος ἐστιν ὁ υἱός μου ὁ **ἀγαπητός̔ἐν **ἐν ᾧ εὐδόκησα.
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concretecamper
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oh…that’s right. I have been saying it wrong all this time. it is “Our Master, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name”
seriously, your view of your god is quite human. Only a god derived from human thoughts would create a race of people in order to enslave them.
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MissyB786
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Is being a slave to God a bad thing? If u were a slave of Jesus(PBUH) would that be a bad thing, because you know God is all merciful.
Plus defination of slave in Islamic and western History are different. we all know western history of slavery but Islamic history the slaves were bought and freed, and even the ones kept were fed, clothed, sat at the same table as their Master, you could even marry them and have children with them.
A slave bought by Muhammed(PBUH) his family came to claim him back, when the Prophet asked him to make a decision, he choose to stay. And he was freed (and i think adopted?-not sure about that part) by Muhammed(PBUH)
I would gladly be God’s slave because I know He is most merciful and not a human definition of slave.
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jakasaki
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Did God create us to be His slaves…?
I don’t think so!
Genesis: 1.26
Then God said,
"Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
Does that sound like a slave master.
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MissyB786
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Do slaves not look after their Master property? So our Master has given us this right to eat from what he was provided on this earth.
Its the western definition of slave u r thinking of. I will not be a slave to man but I will gladly be a slave to God.
and in worship we submit to God, when I eat I say Bismillah, when I sleep I say Qulhu Allah Hu Ahad, when I sneeze I say Alhamdollilah. I wake myself up from the comfort of my sleep 4/5 am in the morning so I may do Fajr prayer, all to prove myself to God because at the end of the day we are sent on this earth to worship God and use whatever means in this life to get by, but we will not forever remain on this earth as rulers of fish, bird, creatures:
** …so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."**
Only God is the true Master of this, and as his Slave he has given me permission to tend to it and use from it what I require justly.
Its the western definition of slave u r thinking of. I will not be a slave to man but I will gladly be a slave to God.
and in worship we submit to God, when I eat I say Bismillah, when I sleep I say Qulhu Allah Hu Ahad, when I sneeze I say Alhamdollilah. I wake myself up from the comfort of my sleep 4/5 am in the morning so I may do Fajr prayer, all to prove myself to God because at the end of the day we are sent on this earth to worship God and use whatever means in this life to get by, but we will not forever remain on this earth as rulers of fish, bird, creatures:
** …so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."**
Only God is the true Master of this, and as his Slave he has given me permission to tend to it and use from it what I require justly.
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concretecamper
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A dog is also bought, freed, fed, housed, etc. please…I am not comparing anyone to a dog. I just want to address your description of slave.
Does allah love you as a father loves his daughter. God loves you as a daughter. He died for you. Big difference between allah and Jesus
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nmgauss
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This implies that there are more than one God. Who are “us” and our"?
Does this imply that there is a male and a female God? If that is so, then why is God called “Father” instead of “Father and Mother”?
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MissyB786
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God loves me more than a father has for his daughter.
Prophet(PBUH): A mother cannot throw her child into the fire, the love Allah has for us is greater than a love a mother has for its child.
PS: I think Mothers love is greater, the pain of childbirth, carrying for 9 months,(no dad can do that) thats why in Islam we are told heaven is at our Mothers feet ie to honour them and respect them for all they have done for us.
So in essence in Islam Allah’s love is greater than that of a mother, whilst in Christianity God’s love is that of a fathers
Mothers endure more pain 9months carrying child, body torn apart(without being to graphic) in childbirth, the rest of their life feeding you teaching you.
Whilst a father is just a sperm donor, has to provide food and shelter.
Just making a comparison.
Is having a child(9 months plus) more painful than dying on the cross? Just to note, we don’t believe he died at the cross, because God wud never do that to his Prophet(PBUH), he ascended him to heaven.
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concretecamper
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LtTony
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She was trying to be clear, but yes, she might have done better. She wrote (emphasis added):
We worship the father,* but we don’t call it father** we call Him God, as he begets none nor is he begotten. *
Also we do worship the same God, but the obvious difference being the son of God. So we cannot worship a Prophet but we worship the ‘Father’ who we refer to as Allah or God or 99 others names as we find father not to be an appropriate name.
As I mentioned earlier she put “Father” parenthetically to make a distiction. It might have been better for her to say : " but we worship (what Christians call) the ‘Father’ who we refer to as Allah or God or 99 others names as we find (the name) of father to be an inappropriate name. "
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