What is the name of that Church which was established in Rome by Sts. Peter & Paul which is currently headquartered at the Vatican?

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This hopefully will sound like a silly question to most viewers; however, it is one that hijaked another thread that I know of and someone posted on that thread that it’d hijaked several other threads.

My hopes in starting this thread is to allow the hijaker their own thread so that they will stop hijaking others to address the issues they have with the name of their own Church.

If you are a Roman Catholic Christian, are you (like the hijaker) offended when someone says you are a Roman Catholic? Do you think it’s a slur? Do you (like the hijaker) think that those of your Church who accept others refering to your Church as the Roman Catholic Church are ignorant?

I am Greek Orthodox now, but before I converted I was a Roman Catholic Christian. Most of my friends and aquaintences are all Roman Catholic. I was and they are very proud to be called Roman Catholics!
 
I wouldn’t say “offended” because most people who use this term are just ignorant. I am Catholic and NOT Roman Catholic.
 
The Catholic Church

"Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop or by one whom he ordains . Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church" (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).
 
Catholic CHurch, specifically Latin Rite.

Unlike some, I have no issue with “Roman Catholic.” It is less words and everyone knows what it is. I will not accept Papist, Romanists, etc.
 
I feel like there were at least two recent threads like this :confused: 🤷
 
I have no difficulties with being known as Catholic of the Latin variety or even Roman Catholic. I am a member of the most beautiful Church on earth. The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church whose founder is Jesus Christ. Whose Vicar on earth is BXVI and whose central headquarters are Vatican City State Europe. I have been there many times and have visited and just “sat” in St Peter’s and love it more every time.
GraceAngel.
 
We really should say Latin Rite Catholic instead of just Catholic as the Catholic CHurch includes more than one Rite
 
SingleMomMonica said:
This hopefully will sound like a silly question to most viewers; however, it is one that hijaked another thread that I know of and someone posted on that thread that it’d hijaked several other threads.

My hopes in starting this thread is to allow the hijaker their own thread so that they will stop hijaking others to address the issues they have with the name of their own Church.

If you are a Roman Catholic Christian, are you (like the hijaker) offended when someone says you are a Roman Catholic?
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Not at all. As the city goes, so goes the world. Urbi, et Orbi. 👍
Do you think it’s a slur?
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Someone may have originally intended it as a slur, but I don’t think it has retained that connotation at all - most people who use the term aren’t meaning to be disrespectful - they are just wanting to be precise about what it is they are talking about. After all, there are all kinds of organizations out there calling themselves “Catholic.”
 
ralphinal said:
We really should say Latin Rite Catholic instead of just Catholic as the Catholic CHurch includes more than one Rite
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but those other rites are included in our universal church. It is important to emphasize unity!
 
If you are a Roman Catholic Christian, are you (like the hijaker) offended when someone says you are a Roman Catholic? Do you think it’s a slur? Do you (like the hijaker) think that those of your Church who accept others refering to your Church as the Roman Catholic Church are ignorant?
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No, I am not offended by it. Ignorance, with regards to me, is always a possibility, but I do know the history of the term. The Church has also used the term to describe itself.

gsearch.vatican.va/search?q=roman+catholic

God bless
 
hi monica.

answer - the Catholic Church

and yes, it is an offensive term even though most people (including many catholics) that use it have no intention to be so. it’s just innocent ignorance. however, we should do our best to stop calling the CC the RCC because not only is it incorrect but it’s a slap in the face to the Byzantine, Chaldean, Coptic (etc) rites.

every rite including roman (latin) falls under the proper title Catholic Church. i suppose if we were discussing differences between the rites we commonly would say “well the alexandrian catholics do this and the roman catholics do that…” but to be correct, we should say “rite” after these adjectives.

peace.
 
It’s the Catholic Church.

Historically (you can find the history in an article in the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia) you can see that during the Reformation and especially in England and in Germany, both groups–Protestant and Catholic–wished to ‘claim’ the title of “Catholic” (or “true Catholic”) for themselves. This led to the Protestant groups calling the Catholics “Roman” and referring to themselves (Protestants) as Catholics. (You’ll see to this day some Protestants who absolutely detest the term protestant!)

I believe that the Irish, among others, who certainly were called “Roman” by the English who preferred to think of themselves as being Catholic, in typical Irish fashion determined that if the English, by god, wanted to call them “Romans” they would adopt that term and make it ‘loved’ instead of hated.

There are a lot of Catholics in the U.S. with an Irish heritage and thus who would have in the last few generations only been accustomed to the use as being a term of love and pride.

There are a lot of Protestants in the U.S. though who still retain the idea that the term Roman is offensive at worst, and (at best) that it ‘proves’ that the "romans’ weren’t the real original Christians but only a splinter group that came later.

The trouble only comes about when you have a person deliberately addressing a Catholic as "roman’ with the intent to either label said Catholic as being ‘less than a real Catholic’ or as ‘not the original Catholic’.

If you have a Protestant who (as a great many do) think that “Roman” is the ‘real’ title, and they address the Catholic that way because they think it’s the right thing to do. . .and the Catholic has the cultural heritage to think that Roman is what he is used to being called and he thinks it’s fine. . .that’s great.

If the Catholic does not have the cultural heritage and wants to charitably let the Protestant know that “Roman” is NOT the truly correct term to use, that’s great too.

If the Protestant doesn’t want to listen and keeps on calling “Roman” but he isn’t otherwise offensive, just more like, “Well dang that’s what I always thought you were called and other people don’t mind it”, that’s fine too.

It is ONLY when somebody truly knows (because he was told) that this is NOT what the Catholic Church really calls itself, but they personally believe that the Catholic Church is not only not the ‘real Church’ but they think the people are at the least brainwished idiots of the ‘Italian pope’ (sic) that we Catholics might sigh a bit in sadness.
 
Tantum - By your own logic then should one not avoide calling the Protestants such, since it is obviously a term coined by their opponents.

Taking that further, if one is going to shake off a term because it was coined with offense in mind, then one must reject the term Christian itself, as it was originally used as a term of derision.

As an Orthodox Christian I believe that my Church is the Catholic Church, as such I have a hard time calling any other church “The Catholic Church” without additional qualifiers to make it clear that I don’t actually believe the Church to be such. Same goes with people addressing the Orthodox Church, so often they put qualifiers on it - Eastern, Greek, Russian, whatver. It’s all the same to me, even though none of these terms is perfectly correct.
 
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Tantum - By your own logic then should one not avoide calling the Protestants such, since it is obviously a term coined by their opponents.

Taking that further, if one is going to shake off a term because it was coined with offense in mind, then one must reject the term Christian itself, as it was originally used as a term of derision.

As an Orthodox Christian I believe that my Church is the Catholic Church, as such I have a hard time calling any other church “The Catholic Church” without additional qualifiers to make it clear that I don’t actually believe the Church to be such. Same goes with people addressing the Orthodox Church, so often they put qualifiers on it - Eastern, Greek, Russian, whatver. It’s all the same to me, even though none of these terms is perfectly correct.
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i know this isn’t addressed to me, but you did make me pause and wonder if my usage of the word protestant was offensive, but i don’t think so, because we call protestants by the correct names of their respective churches. if one were to say that a lutheran was a member of “the protestant church” that would be offensive, but no one does that. we say he/she is a lutheran that belongs to the lutheran church.
 
Offended??? An early lesson my parents taught my sister and I was that, ‘sticks and stone may break the bones but names will never hurt you.’

The Psalmist puts if far better in Psalm 119:165 “Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.”

There are two names that are important for the individual believer: The Precious Name of Jesus and our name in the Lambs Book of Life.

The name ‘catholic church’ is quite confusing for many, IMO. The NT clearly speaks of a church that Jesus is the Head of that include all true Christians throughout the whole earth. In that way it’s the universal church. All true believers are part of the Body of Christ which is the Universal Church.
 
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but those other rites are included in our universal church. It is important to emphasize unity!
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But each Rite has its own ritual and customs, and that should not be ignored. Yes, the faith is the same, but it is expressed differently.
 
=Nine_Two;6014587]Tantum - By your own logic then should one not avoide calling the Protestants such, since it is obviously a term coined by their opponents.
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Taking that further, if one is going to shake off a term because it was coined with offense in mind, then one must reject the term Christian itself, as it was originally used as a term of derision.
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It is the same for “Lutheran”, originally a derisive term meant to marginalize Evangelical Catholics following the Reformation. Obviously, Lutherans today are not offended by the term.
As for “Protestant”, I’m not offended by the term, even though I don’t refer to myself as one, and I believe it holds a meaning that is 1) outdated, and 2) doesn’t describe what Lutheranism (at least) ought to be. In addition, the main problem with the term is that the umbrella nature of it is often misunderstood as meaning alternately, there was once a “Protestant Church”, which now is splintered, or all Protestants have the same doctrine. Neither is true.

Jon
 
Hi Jharek,
This would be a great surprise to my Lutheran parish, where a large crucifix hangs over the altar from the ceiling. 😛
another one I’ve seen in the last few days is the idea that no Protestants celebrate Christmas because some living in one are do not
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:rotfl: America’s merchants would be in big trouble.

As for the same doctrine, there is no (other) Protestant Church I could ever be a member of, with the exception of perhaps an anglo-catholic Anglican Church.

Jon
 
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