In my rosary intentions i pray for the traditionalists and radical traditionalists. Trads and radtrads.
Ccc 2120 on Sacrilege (sp?)
These persons are outside the church, outside of which there is no salvation. Again and again the ccc on the first commandment and the v2 document on religious freedom says the dogma.
I can count the number of times i’ve been to a sspx mass on one hand, for the op.
It was fun and valid, but as jr says, its illicit, or illegal in other words.
In the trad and radtrad world, they dont care about legality, they scoff at terms like licit and illicit, and just go with terms with Valid or invalid. They deem our religion, the christian religion, that subsists in the catholic and apostolic church, outside of which there is no salvation, to be invalid. Its 7 sacraments invalid. Hell, they even believe in turning around our dogmas and using them against us, the no salvation dogma (name removed by moderator)articular.
First comes love. They are enamored with the latin mass. Then comes marriage. They read old books that paint a rosy triumphalist portrait of the pre conciliar church. Then comes the baby carriage. They break the first commandment in sacrilege by profaning our things and people that are consecrated to God. They become Trads (r&r) and RadTrads (SVs) and try to steal sheep from our shepherds.
If the knuckle draggers were to look at endnotes and foornotes, and see them through the source - the bible, they would be our generations most militant church yet.
Op,
Go to the local sspx mass to kill your curiosity. Then go to your parishes confessional and confess the sin of participating in non catholic service. Keep in mind that its a sspx service, and not a rcc service.
Do you have an EasternCatholic option nearby? The orthodox, like the sspx, are not an option. If it’s an revernent or exotic service you want, try our eastern rites.
Do you have many parishes nearby? Try parish-hopping to find a reverent OF one.
Hope that helps .
I’m sorry, but there are some serious mistakes here and some of them border on a serious violation of justice.
EENS does not apply to the SSPX nor to anyone born outside of the Catholic Church. In its historical context it was written to protect Catholics from defecting into heresy and apostasy. The Church has no jurisdiction over non-Catholics.
The SSPX clergy and friends are Catholic. Until such time as the individual cross the line into schism, they are collectively Catholic. I make an important distinction here between collective and individual. There are some SSPX priests, brothers and friends who are schismatic. But those are individuals who have decided to cast aside the authority of the Bishop of Rome and have become their own magisterium. But as a body, the SSPX remains Catholic.
The priests of the SSPX are suspended from the moment they are ordained deacon. Therefore, all celebrations of the sacraments, except Baptism, are illegal or illicit, to use the canonical term. However, the only sacraments whose validity is called into question by Canon Lawyers are Matrimony and Penance. Penance is valid if there is iminent danger of death. Even a laicized priest who was dismissed for a crime as heinous as abortion can absolve in such a situation. The Church provides jurisdiction. In that instance, absolution is valid and licit.
Any mass celebrated by a validly ordained priest, be he Catholic or Orthodox, is valid as long as he does what the Church intends to do, which is to consecrate bread and wine. In the case of the Orthodox, all of their masses are both valid and licit (legal). Their bishops authorize the priest to celebrate mass. In the case of the SSPX, the mass is valid, because the priest is validly ordained. It is illegal, because one needs permission either from the bishop of the diocese or a male religious superior to celebrate mass. Being ordained does not give one the right to celebrate the sacraments, nor the power to do so. The right and power comes from the Ordinary. Only a diocesan bishop and a male religious superior are ordinaries. Each of them has jurisdiction in specific scenarios.
Having said this, the mass celebrated by an SSPX priest or an Orthodox priest is truly Catholic. Here is the difference. The difference is that a Catholic cannot attend an Orthodox Divine Liturgy to fulfill his Sunday obligation, because we are not in communion. Participation at mass and the reception of the HOly Eucharist is, among other things, a profession of communion with the universal Church. This does not mean that the mass itself is defective.
When one participates at a mass celebrated by an SSPX priest, one remains in full communion with the universal Catholic Church as long as one’s intention it to reap the fruits of the traditional mass, not the intention of denying the Ordinary Form or aligning oneself with the SSPX’s positions. If one attends mass at an SSPX chapel because one believes that the Ordinary Form is inferior or defective or because one believes that the SSPX has a valid case against Rome, then one is schismatic.
This must carefully understood, before you go off half-cocked calling others schismatic. I can agree with the SSPX on points A, B, and C. That does not make me a schismatic.
If I say "The SSSPX is right, Rome has fallen into apostasy, then I am cutting myself off. Why? Because if Rome is apostate, I have to choose, I go with Rome and am aso apostate or I deny the primacy of Rome. But if I deny the Primacy of Rome, then I’m schismatic.
Rather than be involved in mental gymnastics, it is more advisable to stay away from an SSPX chapel and to discourage family members and friends from attending.
