What is the problem with magic if it is not evil magic?

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[forget: When did she say she was baptized?] --never mind, I didn’t see the other thread…

It isn’t unreasonable to ask people to look for already-posted threads before posting them as new questions, but it does not hurt to be indulgent with people who have just arrived. It takes awhile to take in the way things are done here.
 
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Yes, people do say that.

And to be fair, superstition can creep into prayer, for example, “unfailing novenas” which are frowned upon by the Church. This usually happens to the frightened or desperate. It’s very scary and painful to watch terrible events unfold, and people try to regain control. It’s a very human and understandable response.

But as Catholics, we’re supposed to intercede—in fact, Jesus demands us to — but with the ultimate understanding that God, not us, has the final say.

It’s can be very, very hard to submit to God’s will.

But witchcraft, divination, fortune telling—this is not the answer.
 
I agree. It’s akin to praying to a false god. But that doesn’t mean that demonic forces can’t come into you when you’re on their domain.
 
St John Bosco is the patron of magicians.

The magic of illusions is a fine skill and a gift.
 
I see this is asking about the occult sort of magic, not the fun David Copperfield sort of illusionry.

Occult magic is real. If it were not real, there would not be a dogmatic prohibition against it.
 
Then why does Holy Mother Church forbid it?

The Church does not forbid eating unicorn meat or dancing with smurfs because those are not real. The occult is real.
 
I think I know what you’re saying—that person’s who delve into these things open themselves up to demonic influences.
Very much so.

But some self-styled witch or voodoo practitioner can’t sit over there and call demonic forces and make them harm me.

The persons themselves could harm me, but only through human and ordinary means (physical assault or detraction, for instance).
 
Because these practices harm us by feeding into our pride that we can or ought to be the ultimate control or authority. And by setting ourselves above God.
And it harms anybody we lure into it because of scandal and drawing them away from God.

But it’s not real in the sense of I can’t actually say a series of words to make your crops fail or your cow’s milk to go sour.
 
Well I mentioned Zachary king before. He was a former satanist turned catholic and he’d disagree with you. He says people can curse people and cast demonic spells on people.
 
CCC 2116 & 2117, then read the foot notes, Scripture.

Real is real.

The good news is that if we remain without mortal sin, if we stay in friendship with God, no occult magic can harm us.
 
Again. It may and it may not. But demons are out there. And they are looking for any attempt to attack us. Curses exist. That’s why the church condemns them.

Just as prayer sometimes “works” and sometimes doesn’t, doesn’t mean that prayers or spells/curses aren’t efficacious.
 
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I think you meant the former…The possession…Eternal damnation is not temporary…
 
The Catholic Catechism itself (see the quote below), Catholic Exorcists, and the Vatican’s Doctrinal Commission (see their ICCR website) have all stated that the occult can be used to invite demons to actually curse peolple.

The Catholic Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church, of which Saint Pope John Paul said : ‘I put my Apostolic Authority (as Pope) on this work.’

States:

Divination and magic

2116 All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to “unveil” the future.48 Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.

2117 All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one’s service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it.

Furthermore: the Roman Catholic Church states that use of the occult/ divination/ magic: is grave matter that is a mortal sin if done deliberately, with full knowledge and full freedom.
Further to this: Catholic Exorcists have stated the most common root cause for someone needing Exorcism is that they were gravely involved in the occult
 
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If it were real (actually worked), the nations of the world would be all over it, the way they stockpile money and weapons.
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Um… both the former USSR and elements of the UK and US Government are recorded having dabbled in the occult for various espionage and black ops projects. This isn’t conspiracy stuff either. It’s sort of a well known thing.
 
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Pagan gods are demonic and take away glory from the one true God.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
But some self-styled witch or voodoo practitioner can’t sit over there and call demonic forces and make them harm me.

The persons themselves could harm me, but only through human and ordinary means (physical assault or detraction, for instance).
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Actually, they can if you meet certain conditions:
  1. If you yourself are in a state of mortal sin and have opened yourself up to demonic influences and attack.
  2. If God allows it for the betterment of your soul, and it will lead to your salvation or the salvation of others. As I have heard from several exorcists, God does not always allow it to happen to every person. That is because He determines what is most beneficial for a person’s salvation.
 
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