What is the Tridentine Mass? FAQs

[TNT]

palmas85:

Garbage? Why are you so hostile? What are you afraid of? Why are you threatened by those who worship at the Traditional Mass? Why do you think we live in the past? God is eternal, and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is also eternal. Just because it is old doesn’t make it wrong, anymore than just because it is new makes it right. I never thought I would hear someone speak the way you did. So I guess I can only repeat the old traditionalist credo, even though I thought I never would:

WE ARE WHAT YOU WERE
IF WE ARE WRONG NOW YOU WERE WRONG THEN
IF YOU WEREN’T WRONG THEN, HOW CAN WE BE WRONG NOW

Don’t be so haed on PODO…he’s just been confronted by puberty and thoroughly confused. His knowledge of history starts in 1992.

 

[TOME]

First, this is not to take away from the Tridentine Rite, and I see the merit of the reports of our Holy Father moving to grant a universal indult. Here, I wish to take this thread maybe in a different direction. I often see and hear the discussion of the beauty of the Tridentine Mass and how this Rite expresses the Universal Nature of the Church. However, I have never heard nor seen it discussed (I may have missed it) how the relationship ecclesiologies that formed the Councils of Trent and Vatican II. The Liturgical Rites of the Tridintine Mass and the Novus Ordo reflects how the Church understood itself, it mission at the time of each council. Trent was part of the counter-reformation, there was a need for the Church to express itself Liturgically it a manner the expressed its Universal Nature, stress on the the Real Presence that was being challenged and the authority of the Pope and the Church Magisterium. The Tridentine Rite certainly does that. However, no one seem to discuss the initial reaction of those Churchs’, in union with Rome, whose particular Rites were incorporated into the one Triditine Rite and in effect no longer celebrated, similar in some ways to what happened to the Tridentine Rite after Vatican II. In regards to Vat II, there was a renewal brewing long before the 1960’s, a renewal, not a change in the Church’s mission, on how best to live out the Mission of Evangelization given Her by Christ. A renewal that stresses the active participation and responsibility of all Catholics according to their vocation in life. Much of this renewal was fueled by the advances by Catholic Scripture Scholars in response to Divino Afflante Spiritu. Inspired by the Holy Spirit, called together by Pope John XXIII, Vatican II saw the Church’s role in a different light - consider the Council Doctrines of Lumen Gentium and Gadium et Spes as well as Pope John Paul II’s call for a new Evangelization. So in conclusion I believe it is important to understand that “we live as we pray and pray as we live”. The Novus Ordo reflects this renewal in the Church’s mission .

 

[Sean_O_L]

TOME wrote:

"… I have never heard nor seen it discussed (I may have missed it) how the relationship ecclesiologies that formed the Councils of Trent and Vatican II. The Liturgical Rites of the Tridintine Mass and the Novus Ordo reflects how the Church understood itself, it mission at the time of each council… etc.

Congratulations, TOME. Well said!

Unfortunately, many miss the point that a true and proper Sacrifice (as defined by the Council of Trent) IS one of the “results” of the Pauline liturgy notwithstanding the murmers of some Pian liturgy promoters.