What is the view of Eastern orthodox and eastern catholics on the latin rosary?

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I just heard about the Rule of the Theotokos on this thread, so I am happy about that. According to this link it dates back to the 8th century - I have no idea if that is accurate. But the basic structure of the Rule is quite similar to the structure of the rosary, in concept, if not exact details anyway. (and predates it) This often happens in the Church - traditions, particularly prayers as oral tradition are passed on over the centuries and influence other prayer traditions later on. I have not researched this theory on the rosary but it would not surprise me. By which I mean it actually had an origin in Eastern Orthodox prayers, probably also there were similar prayers in the Western Church going quite far back.

The rosary definitely post dates the schism with the East and I think might even post date the Reformation? My sense is it is fairly recent at least in its present form, but I could be wrong about that.

Probably there are differing attitudes in Orthodoxy toward the Latin rosary. As I said above I agree that much the same thing is being and has been done in the East for some time. Whatever differences exist between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, I don’t think there is much dispute about the value, even centrality, of prayers to Mary. The Immaculate Conception is a different story.

 
Thank you for bearing with me. My ideas are contradictory because I chose to accept that the Immaculate Conception of Mary is not true despite my own personal feeling about this and I try ti think in these terms, that it is not true, according to the teaching of my Church so that I can figure out what iI can think of it and are there any actual claims of it being true or not besides doctrine. Usually the Orthodox just say Synod X or Y said so and I must think like that and that’s it. And the Catholics that it is tradition and dogma and I must accept it (so basically same thing as the Orthodox only in the different direction).

What you say is very interesting about the Russian Church claiming it not true first. I was never told this. Can you send me some links, something I can read more about this?
 
Miguel25 said:
What is their opinion , what do they think about the rosary as we pray it.
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I’m sure it varies from individual to individual. A lot more Eastern Catholics have had the opportunity to attend Latin rite schools and marry into Latin rite families over the years, particularly here in the western world.

I’d say they would be a lot friendlier and acquainted with Latin piety than our Greek Orthodox friends.

A local BC church here in Pittsburgh had a statue of the Blessed Virgin in their yard for many years.
 
I have been praying it. I use a phone app I listen to and also say it myself. I started on Saturday with the Luminous Mysteries. It’s the kind of app that doesn’t have any background music. 😊 I am not always fan of background music used in praying apps.
I found on the internet ways of saying it but not all say what the mysteries are for each day I guess most Catholics already know them by heart. Some say Luminous Mysteries are an addition and not original… dunno. My app has them too and I saw nothing unorthodox within those mysteries and altogether. It contains the Apostolic Creed so there is no more filioque or not question.
“Hail Mary” is also an Orthodox prayer, we say it too. So is “Our Father”, the Mysteries are excerpts from the NT. The only new thing is the Fatima prayer but we also say similar things asking Jesus to forgive the world.
On an Orthodox blog I learned the Apostolic Creed is a personal devotion Creed as long as in the Church it is said the Creed established as official by the Church to say it in Church is to disrupt the liturgy and we mustn’t do this. But at home we can say it.
 
The pope encourages ALL Catholics for follow their OWN traditions!
Having said that the rosary as prayed by Roman Rite/Latin Rite Catholics
is NOT part of the Eastern Rite traditions. Praying the rosary should
NOT be forced onto Eastern Rite Catholics, however, IF an Eastern Rite
Catholics CHOOSES on their own accord to pray the rosary that IS fine!
 
Sometimes when Latin rite Catholics start attending a Eastern Rite Catholic Church they try
to get the Eastern Rite church to adopt a Latin Rite custom which of course would be Latinization.
Latinization is when a Latin Rite person insists something be done that doesn’t belong to a particular rite.
IF an Eastern Rite on their own CHOOSE to pray something that comes from the Latin Rite then it is NOT
Latinization because it was CHOSEN. That’s all I was saying!
 
Herculees said:
Latinization is when a Latin Rite person insists something be done that doesn’t belong to a particular rite.
IF an Eastern Rite on their own CHOOSE to pray something that comes from the Latin Rite then it is NOT
Latinization because it was CHOSEN. That’s all I was saying!
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Latinizations don’t have to be imposed by Latins. There are many, many examples of self-imposed Latinizations by Eastern Churches for many reasons, often to prove that they are really Catholic. Examples include the use of confessionals for confession, the use of the filioque in the Creed, use of statues and Stations of the Cross, the removal of icon screens, and many others. None of these were imposed by Rome or other Latins; they were adopted by Easterners entirely voluntarily. Easterners praying the Rosary is usually this sort of Latinization. Regardless, we’ve been asked to remove these Latinizations from our parishes, from our official liturgical life. What a person does as a private devotion is entirely personal.
 
Herculees said:
Sometimes when Latin rite Catholics start attending a Eastern Rite Catholic Church they try to get the Eastern Rite church to adopt a Latin Rite custom
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Could be. But the reality is that many Eastern Catholics like the rosary. You will see this in long stablished parishes without a Latin insight. You wil see this in the old country - both in the new old country and in the old, old country.
 
babochka said:
gardless, we’ve been asked to remove these Latinizations from our parishes, from our official liturgical life
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I consider this request, when it came from Rome, a Latinization. I am happy for us - bishops priests , and laity to work this out on our own.
 
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babochka:
gardless, we’ve been asked to remove these Latinizations from our parishes, from our official liturgical life
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I consider this request, when it came from Rome, a Latinization. I am happy for us - bishops priests , and laity to work this out on our own.
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You have a point here. It is in the CCEO, which is itself heavily Latinized.
 
The point IS that it is NOT Latinization IF they are self-imposing it on themselves
it IS Latinization IF they are being COERCED to pray it!
 
Herculees said:
The point IS that it is NOT Latinization IF they are self-imposing it on themselves
it IS Latinization IF they are being COERCED to pray it!
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I understood your point. I disagree.
 
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I’m not sure I ever understood this. How exactly does the East define “imagination”. Surely Eastern Christians sometimes meditate or reflect on concepts of the faith? I would never describe my Rosary reflections as “imagination”. I usually hold a mental image in my mind as I recite the decade, akin to a mental icon.
 
@Miguel25 Being Orthodox, if there are any “hate your guts”, they have some deep soul searching to do!

We do have prayer ropes, and we have been taught to use the Jesus Prayer for these: “Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.”

“Prayer is the seed of gentleness, and the absence of anger” -Abba Nilus
 
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dkalaluhi said:
@Miguel25 Being Orthodox, if there are any “hate your guts”, they have some deep soul searching to do!
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I agree with you very much. For the record, I’ve never come across one in ACROD. Family ties are too close. It’s much harder to hate your Rusyn Byzantine Catholic cousins or even your own Grandmother, in some cases.
 
Isn’t ACROD under the Patriarchate of Constantinopole? This also makes a difference I think.
How about ROCOR? Some ROCOR advocates re-baptism for children baptized in Russia during the communist era because of certain actions they disagree with, and other actions being done today including ecumenical concessions to Rome. This is what I heard of on the internet at least. 😔 Is this true?
 
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