What is the youngest a person can be and commit a mortal sin?

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A 14 year can’t legally consent to marry in most U.S. states in AD 2011. . .but that didn’t mean the reason is that all 14 year old lacks the capacity to make such a judgment, always have and always will.

As I mentioned earlier, I believe, the middle class 14 year old in AD 2011 U.S. may be more technologically advanced than a 14 year old living 100, 200, 500, 1000 or more years ago.

But considering that a 14 year old today would have (in the U.S.) the statistical likelihood of living easily to age 84. . .that 14 year old has lived one SIXTH of life with 5/6 to go.

A 14 year old living in a first world country (Brittain) 500 years ago had a life expectancy overall of just about 30 years.

That 14 year old had already lived nearly HALF his/her life.

I’m not saying the 14 year old then is like the 42 year old of today, but I am saying that in a very different cultural, sociological, and environmental background with much SHORTER life spans, a 14 year old by necessity was more ‘mature’ and able to function as a mature person than SOME 14 year olds currently.

How about third world countries where the life expectancy is still under age 50? (Yes, they exist in AD 2011). Where literacy rates are under 50% and poverty is rife. You think that just because a 14 year old is (by “western psychology theories”) not capable of ‘understanding’ that 14 year olds who have lived about 1/3 of their lives would be just as 'incapable of understanding?"

You know at age 54 I can still remember when 18 was the threshold of adulthood, not the start of the next 12 years of “we can do what adults do without their responsibilities! madness” that we see currently in Gen X and Y. We were deemed able to commit ourselves to military service, to marriage, to the priesthood and religious life, and all sorts of actions which required being able to ‘understand’ all sorts of complex ideas. Silly us, we had no IDEA our little brains were not capable of making those judgments! How did we ever manage to build the kind of societies and raise the kind of geniuses who try to tell us what we are, and are not, 'capable of scientifically THINKING"?
Life expectancy has nothing to do with it.

Personally, I would think that in general, 18 is the YOUNGEST that one might be capable of such thinking and decision-making, and then only rarely, and that person would probably be a girl simply because their brains mature faster.

I think a rule of thumb would be that if a person is not mature enough to understand and accept the FULL ramifications of marriage, then one is most definitely not mature enough to understand and accept the FULL ramifications of mortal sin.
 
Wrong. “Complete consent” is where understanding comes in. If one does not have the ability to fully understand the consequences of an action, one cannot give complete consent.
How does knowing something is wrong (knowledge) and willfully doing it anyway (consent), have anything to do with consequences?
 
Wrong. “Complete consent” is where understanding comes in. If one does not have the ability to fully understand the consequences of an action, one cannot give complete consent.
Thougtfulone …one does not need a full theological understanding of mortal sin in order to commit one.
 
All those poor people who got married at 18…we should let them know they were not capable of it…and all those who went off to join the military…and all those who committed themselves to so many high things…and all those young empirical scientists who were already at it at a young age…

That they now need to wait a couple of years and then start over…

So are you going to start a blog to let them in on the fact that they were not capable of doing such???
 
Thoughtfulone, your approach appears to be one where you decide how things work, rather than one that goes to the precedent of God’s Revelation through His Church throughout history and submissive towards whatever that may be however hard it may be on the heart.

The ages in which children may go to Confession demonstrates the understanding of the Church of such matters. Which reveals God’s work.

Conversion is correction of the heart and how we feel, in very many ways, not just how we think. Having the grace of supernatural faith and growth in this grace helps this.

With supernatural faith we submit to whatever God’s design is, regardless of our preferences, and this is what is absolutely necessary in the spiritual life.

So that if God tells us something very unpleasant to us personally, we are ready to accept it entirely because it is God’s will. This is the secret to true peace and happiness, dependence on Him rather than ourselves. When we cannot understand, if we submit with faith, sometimes then God allows us to understand.

And we all have to face some very unpleasant things that we do not want to hear 100% from God in our lives, sooner or later.

Overcoming our passions and putting them in the service of God is how we make progress.

Nowadays especially people are raised from a young way to always be immature emotionally, in the sense that they are more slaves to their passions and emotions than possessing of various virtues, logic, and character.

But that does not mean that from a very young age this cannot and should not exist. I suggest reading the biography of Ven. Anne to see this.

She demonstrates intelligence, holiness, and virtue from the youngest of ages…

Even before a child reaches the age of reason, a child can be prepared to be virtuous.

The natural law of God is written in each human beings heart… So mortal sin can be committed against this law.

"When she began to prepare Anne for her first Confession, Mother St. Raymond was again surprised, for she found that the child not only knew her faults, but analyzed them with a judgement as correct as it was careful. Not that Anne was scrupulous – there was never a sign of foolish scrupulosity in her either then or later – but she made her examination of conscience with a gravity and care that impressed all those who had to deal with her. Nor was she frightened about her first Confession. “Afraid of the priest!” she said to Mother St. Raymond, looking up at her with innocent amazement. “Why should I be? You said he would be acting as Our Lord!”

“As early as June 1915, when she was only four and a half, Anne had spoken of her first Communion. . . To her, catechism was not just “a lesson” she truly cared about it.”
 
I think the person who is saying a person cannot make complex moral decisions under after 20 or something is drawing a conclusion based information which doesn’t imply it.

I actually heard something about how certain parts of the brain don’t develop under after age 20 or something and it’s like the most complex parts of the brain, for certain types of abstract thinking. I’m not sure the details. Anyway, I think the poster is unjustifiably making the leap from that to saying people cannot make complex moral decisions under after 20.
 
I have a guidebook for confession for children (for age 9-13) with goes all into the confession of mortal sins…as well as venial sins…
 
Thoughtfulone, your approach appears to be one where you decide how things work, rather than one that goes to the precedent of God’s Revelation through His Church throughout history and submissive towards whatever that may be however hard it may be on the heart.

The ages in which children may go to Confession demonstrates the understanding of the Church of such matters. Which reveals God’s work.

Conversion is correction of the heart and how we feel, in very many ways, not just how we think. Having the grace of supernatural faith and growth in this grace helps this.

With supernatural faith we submit to whatever God’s design is, regardless of our preferences, and this is what is absolutely necessary in the spiritual life.

So that if God tells us something very unpleasant to us personally, we are ready to accept it entirely because it is God’s will. This is the secret to true peace and happiness, dependence on Him rather than ourselves. When we cannot understand, if we submit with faith, sometimes then God allows us to understand.

And we all have to face some very unpleasant things that we do not want to hear 100% from God in our lives, sooner or later.

Overcoming our passions and putting them in the service of God is how we make progress.

Nowadays especially people are raised from a young way to always be immature emotionally, in the sense that they are more slaves to their passions and emotions than possessing of various virtues, logic, and character.

But that does not mean that from a very young age this cannot and should not exist. I suggest reading the biography of Ven. Anne to see this.

She demonstrates intelligence, holiness, and virtue from the youngest of ages…

Even before a child reaches the age of reason, a child can be prepared to be virtuous.

The natural law of God is written in each human beings heart… So mortal sin can be committed against this law.

"When she began to prepare Anne for her first Confession, Mother St. Raymond was again surprised, for she found that the child not only knew her faults, but analyzed them with a judgement as correct as it was careful. Not that Anne was scrupulous – there was never a sign of foolish scrupulosity in her either then or later – but she made her examination of conscience with a gravity and care that impressed all those who had to deal with her. Nor was she frightened about her first Confession. “Afraid of the priest!” she said to Mother St. Raymond, looking up at her with innocent amazement. “Why should I be? You said he would be acting as Our Lord!”

“As early as June 1915, when she was only four and a half, Anne had spoken of her first Communion. . . To her, catechism was not just “a lesson” she truly cared about it.”
The Church teaches that it is very good to confess venial as well as mortal sin and says nothing about the age at which someone may or may not be able to commit a mortal sin. I am free to believe what I choose regarding this matter. Children go to confession as a way of getting into the habit, as a way of practicing the examination of conscience, and as a way of getting over the embarrassment of confessing one’s sins, not because they have anything to confess that could send them to hell.

As I have already stated, it happens occasionally that a young person is very holy. This is not normal and is something specifically ordained by God. God enters a child’s soul to sanctify it, otherwise, this would not be possible. The opposite, a child having the capacity for extreme evil with the understanding that one is giving one’s eternal soul to Satan, cannot happen.
 
A few years ago I might have been of the view that people should only marry when they are well into adulthood, at the least past the age of 21, because of the maturity gained by then.

But over time my view has softened.

If you have a more Christian view of how the family works, a marriage is far more likely to be successful despite youth. In other words, it’s not the intelligence or maturity gained with age and experience, so much as the intelligence and maturity gained from being raised in Christian virtue that determines success or failure in marriage.
 
Because it is up to me. And in our current society and at their age I do not judge to do so.

But such does not again mean that they do not have the capacity to get validly married.
Obviously it means that you believe it to be too young, that you do not truly believe them to have that capacity, otherwise, you would have no problem with it. This speaks volumes.
 
I have a guidebook for confession for children (for age 9-13) with goes all into the confession of mortal sins…as well as venial sins…
A “guidebook” is not doctrine or dogma or even popular theological opinion.
 
As I have already stated, it happens occasionally that a young person is very holy. This is not normal and is something specifically ordained by God. God enters a child’s soul to sanctify it, otherwise, this would not be possible. The opposite, a child having the capacity for extreme evil with the understanding that one is giving one’s eternal soul to Satan, cannot happen.
Actually, the Church uses exorcisms in her ritual for baptism. Children are born in original sin, not sanctifying grace.

If you read about the time of the Antichrist, Antichrist is to be perfectly possessed by the devil from birth. So too, one of the more horrible predictions that gives me a shudder, which Fr. Hunolt relates, is that demonic activity will be so prevalent and powerful that infants will testify that Antichrist is God, and that Jesus Christ is false.

There so too, also are witches and occultists who do such horrible things as dedicate their children to the devil from birth, and cast spells even beforehand to become pregnant.

I know of a case of this actually… one of the children was seeking help from the Church. A very hard story to listen to. Life has many hard stories… but God is there through them all.

Christians can pray for and actually have a duty to pray for their children’s spiritual life and protection, before birth, and after from the very beginning.
 
Obviously it means that you believe it to be too young, that you do not truly believe them to have that capacity, otherwise, you would have no problem with it. This speaks volumes.
Nope. She would have the capacity presumably to enter into a valid marriage.
 
This is from the Roman Ritual, the ceremonial for baptism of children:

Quoting:

’ {The next ceremony and all the following exorcisms in the rite are designed to free the subject from the power of Satan, who has this power in view of original sin. The signification is accomplished by an exhaling of breath, as to blow away something, or figuratively, the act of dispelling the evil spirit.}
  1. The priest thrice breathes softly in the face of the child (each one singly), and follows up the gesture with these words:
Depart from him (her), unclean spirit, and give place to the Holy Spirit, the Advocate.

{By the cross Christ takes possession of the mind and heart of the child, fitting him to become a temple of the Blessed Trinity, and imposing on him the obligation of belief and observance of the commandments. The sign of the cross used here and throughout the rite is indicative of the essential fact that the sacrament has its efficacy from the paschal sacrifice of Jesus.}
  1. With his thumb the priest traces the sign of the cross on the brow and on the breast of the child, saying (to each):
Receive the sign of the cross on your + brow and on your + heart. Put your whole trust in the heavenly teachings. And lead a life that will truly fit you to be a dwelling place for God.’

It continues along this vein, the rest can be read in the ritual.
 
One does not have to be 20-22 to be able to commit a mortal sin …or get married.
 
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