What is time?

[Bahman]

I have always wonder why a chain of cause and effect do not exhaust in a blink. I was thinking on this topic for a while. To me time is a cognitive phenomena as it related to changes. But why? First thing first: Lets assume that S causes S’. S and S’ cannot coexist hence S must vanishes before S’ takes place. This situation however paradoxical since S cannot exist and exist not at the same time. To resolve the problem, one has to assume that awareness of S exist in consciousness where this can then cause S’. What I am arguing so far is that no change is possible without awareness which resides in consciousness. Hence, change is related to awareness, in simple word awareness work as an engine pushing us forward. Awareness however is not the only force in nature as all events should manifest themselves in a blink as it was stated. The other force which is in the place is randomness which disturbed state of awareness and act like a friction hence any changes require a duration so called time.

 

[captainrick]

I have always wonder why a chain of cause and effect do not exhaust in a blink. I was thinking on this topic for a while. To me time is a cognitive phenomena as it related to changes. But why? First thing first: Lets assume that S causes S’. S and S’ cannot coexist hence S must vanishes before S’ takes place. This situation however paradoxical since S cannot exist and exist not at the same time. To resolve the problem, one has to assume that awareness of S exist in consciousness where this can then cause S’. What I am arguing so far is that no change is possible without awareness which resides in consciousness. Hence, change is related to awareness, in simple word awareness work as an engine pushing us forward. Awareness however is not the only force in nature as all events should manifest themselves in a blink as it was stated. The other force which is in the place is randomness which disturbed state of awareness and act like a friction hence any changes require a duration so called time.

Existing and not-existing at the same time, until there is awareness, (or observation)… Sounds like Schrodinger’s Cat!

If all events occur simultaneously, then time is an artificial construct allowing the human mind to make sense of the universe.

 

[GEddie]

Time is physical. It results from entropy running down.

As we perceive entropy cooking off inside our heads and bodies, we experience the passage of time. The difference in points of collinear time is simple as data points on an entropy counter.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Della]

Time is the result of gravity–E=MC2. As bodies are attracted to each other, time is created. It’s a physical phenomena in which we finite beings live–somewhat like fish in water. It’s the milieu of our existence.

 

[davidv]

I have always wonder why a chain of cause and effect do not exhaust in a blink. I was thinking on this topic for a while. To me time is a cognitive phenomena as it related to changes. But why? First thing first: Lets assume that S causes S’. S and S’ cannot coexist hence S must vanishes before S’ takes place. This situation however paradoxical since S cannot exist and exist not at the same time. To resolve the problem, one has to assume that awareness of S exist in consciousness where this can then cause S’. What I am arguing so far is that no change is possible without awareness which resides in consciousness. Hence, change is related to awareness, in simple word awareness work as an engine pushing us forward. Awareness however is not the only force in nature as all events should manifest themselves in a blink as it was stated. The other force which is in the place is randomness which disturbed state of awareness and act like a friction hence any changes require a duration so called time.

Time has different meanings depending on the context of it use.
wikipedia:

Time has long been a major subject of study in religion, philosophy, and science, but defining it in a manner applicable to all fields without circularity has consistently eluded scholars.[2][6][7][9][10][11] Nevertheless, diverse fields such as business, industry, sports, the sciences, and the performing arts all incorporate some notion of time into their respective measuring systems.[12][13][14] Some simple, relatively uncontroversial definitions of time include “time is what clocks measure”[6][15] and **“time is what keeps everything from happening at once”.**16][17][18][19]

Bolding mine.

 

[Linusthe2nd]

I have always wonder why a chain of cause and effect do not exhaust in a blink. I was thinking on this topic for a while. To me time is a cognitive phenomena as it related to changes. But why? First thing first: Lets assume that S causes S’. S and S’ cannot coexist hence S must vanishes before S’ takes place. This situation however paradoxical since S cannot exist and exist not at the same time. To resolve the problem, one has to assume that awareness of S exist in consciousness where this can then cause S’. What I am arguing so far is that no change is possible without awareness which resides in consciousness. Hence, change is related to awareness, in simple word awareness work as an engine pushing us forward. Awareness however is not the only force in nature as all events should manifest themselves in a blink as it was stated. The other force which is in the place is randomness which disturbed state of awareness and act like a friction hence any changes require a duration so called time.

He, he Bahman, and so the world didn’t exist before man existed? That is what you just said. So there was no dinasors, no evolutionary period? I think you will get a lot of objections to this new odd idea of yours.

Linus2nd

 

[Bahman]

Existing and not-existing at the same time, until there is awareness, (or observation)… Sounds like Schrodinger’s Cat!

If all events occur simultaneously, then time is an artificial construct allowing the human mind to make sense of the universe.

The question is that how time is constructed?

 

[Bahman]

Time is physical. It results from entropy running down.

It is the result of entropy running down or growing up? We know that arrow of time is the result of growth of entropy. So somehow I cannot understand you. Could you please elaborate?

As we perceive entropy cooking off inside our heads and bodies, we experience the passage of time. The difference in points of collinear time is simple as data points on an entropy counter.

ICXC NIKA

Could you please elaborate on the bold part?

 

[Bahman]

Time is the result of gravity–E=MC2. As bodies are attracted to each other, time is created. It’s a physical phenomena in which we finite beings live–somewhat like fish in water. It’s the milieu of our existence.

Could you please elaborate on bold part? Moreover, C, speed of light, does depends on time and we don’t really know what mass is. So to me, your definition doesn’t help much.

 

[Bahman]

Time has different meanings depending on the context of it use.
Bolding mine.

I understand bold part. But why time exist? Where it comes from? It should be a part of creation/universe so how it is related to other things that we know.

 

[Bahman]

He, he Bahman, and so the world didn’t exist before man existed? That is what you just said. So there was no dinasors, no evolutionary period? I think you will get a lot of objections to this new odd idea of yours.

Linus2nd

When did I say so? Consciousness to me is very fundamental property of cosmos.

 

[Della]

Could you please elaborate on bold part? Moreover, C, speed of light, does depends on time and we don’t really know what mass is. So to me, your definition doesn’t help much.

It all depends on gravity, as I wrote. When the “big bang” happened and material was thrown out into space, time began because all the elements, reacting with each, other created gravity, which is what makes time. E=MC2 is only a way to describe how time functions, but it’s not time itself.

 

[Linusthe2nd]

When did I say so? Consciousness to me is very fundamental property of cosmos.

You did not say so in the O.P. You can’t assume that everyone who posts can read your mind. But if you are assuming a " world consciousness " that is something you have not been able to prove yet. All you’ve done for two years is make unproven assertions about this general subject. You just rehash the same assumptions in a hundred ways.

Linus2nd

 

[GEddie]

It is the result of entropy running down or growing up? We know that arrow of time is the result of growth of entropy. So somehow I cannot understand you. Could you please elaborate?

Could you please elaborate on the bold part?

Oops, sorry.

Of course entropy builds up. What runs down is the usable energy or material organization. But the result of entropy is the visible system running down.

We perceive the generation of entropy inside our heads and bodies; life processes are high in entropy, which can only in part be exhaled or exuded from the body. As we (our bodies) transition from entropy state S1 to S2 to S3…, our minds register this as collinear time.

Entropy is irreversible, so is collinear time.

ICXC NIKA.

 

[davidv]

I understand bold part. But why time exist?

To fulfill a human need for understanding.

Where it comes from?

Based on my understanding time is a human created device use to measure change.

It should be a part of creation/universe

Why? What is the evidence for this?

so how it is related to other things that we know.

 

[Bahman]

To fulfill a human need for understanding.

This is off topic root bt anyhow, why human understanding should matter at all? This seems to me a human center belief.

Based on my understanding time is a human created device use to measure change.

No. We experience time as other creature and beings experience.

Why? What is the evidence for this?

Unless one argue an idea of divine being who shows the frames with a specific rate to us.

 

[Bahman]

Yes. The clock would experience it.

 

[davidv]

This is off topic root bt anyhow, why human understanding should matter at all? This seems to me a human center belief.

This was a direct response to a specific question. How can it be off topic? “seems to me” is not a very convincing argument.

No. We experience time as other creature and beings experience.

Presumptous. You have no idea how other creatures and beings experience time.

Unless one argue an idea of divine being who shows the frames with a specific rate to us.

Please explain. I don’t understand what this means.

 

[Bahman]

This was a direct response to a specific question. How can it be off topic? “seems to me” is not a very convincing argument.

You mention that “To fulfill a human need for understanding.”, then I mentioned that “this is human center belief”. Do you really think that everything is here to fulfill human needs?

Presumptous. You have no idea how other creatures and beings experience time.

I don’t need to presume anything. I know very well that you are consciousness as I am and aware of content of discussion here based on very argument which you can find it in middle of OP. No change is possible without awareness which take place in consciousness.

Please explain. I don’t understand what this means.

Well, lets consider the creation as a movie which all its frames are available (because God perform creation with one eternal act). Time as you mentioned is something which prohibit that all this frame are presented simultaneously hence each frame must be stretched in order to longer the experience hence we need an agent who is divine to take care of this duty.

 

[Bahman]

You did not say so in the O.P. You can’t assume that everyone who posts can read your mind. But if you are assuming a " world consciousness " that is something you have not been able to prove yet. All you’ve done for two years is make unproven assertions about this general subject. You just rehash the same assumptions in a hundred ways.
Linus2nd

I did prove it, but you don’t want to believe it. :bounce: