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PJM
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.*** GOD persoanlly founded ONLY One:
One Church the CC
One set of Faith beliefs those held by the CC
ANY and ALL deviations to this OPPOSE God’s Devine and Perfect Will… not the [best] way to get to heaven***.
Marian appirations NOT specifically approved by ROME can nevertheless be accepted by personal choice so long as the pronouncements DO NOT contradict Catholic Church teachings. Medjugorje conforms in its message to CC Teachings and can be accepted.
Stay a Roman Catholic!
God Bless,
pat/PJM
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PRmerger
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Right. The Catholic Church is not Roman. The Roman, or Latin, rite is only 1 of 23 (depending upon how you count the churches/rites) rites in the Catholic Church, all loyal to the Bishop of Rome.
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PJM
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Friend, my reply is not rhetorical
VERY LIKELY true.
No where in the bible, first page to last page can one find Gods permission or even God’s tolerance for any belief system other than the Catholic Faith, Church and beliefs, which Christ Himself:
**Founded: **Mt. 16:15-19; Mt 28:16-20 and John 20:19-23
Personally protects: John 14:16-17; John 17:15-19
There are in the NT over 100 references to Only One Church and One set of Faith beliefs.
Eph.4: 4-7 “There is one body [ONE Church] and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, [ONE SET OF BELIEFS] one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all.
But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift”
Trying to know, love, and serve God ON YOUR terms, NOT His absolutely puts your salvation at risk. AMEN!
God Bless,
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truthsave
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apparently there are still few inteligent people that thinks salvation is belonging to a team.
Salvation is not trying to save ones life since as the Gospel tell us we would loose it.
Salvation is doing the Lord’s Will.
“My brother and sisters are the ones that do my Father’s Will”
It is better being Jesus brother then not then.
The Church is the community of people for which Christ is the three of life to which they are innested to bring fruits.
What is the Father Will? As written in the Gospel believing in who He has sent.
The more we are capable of following Christ’s teaching the better is for our salvation.
Choose what helps you better following our Saviour teachings and stay away from the one that would help you be like a pharisean.
The truth is important if we are capable of following it.
But we shouldn’t choose to follow a lie just because for as it is easier to follow it and then we call it the truth (mormons,TW, yes I am sorry, and others)
My personal point of view.
Salvation is not trying to save ones life since as the Gospel tell us we would loose it.
Salvation is doing the Lord’s Will.
“My brother and sisters are the ones that do my Father’s Will”
It is better being Jesus brother then not then.
The Church is the community of people for which Christ is the three of life to which they are innested to bring fruits.
What is the Father Will? As written in the Gospel believing in who He has sent.
The more we are capable of following Christ’s teaching the better is for our salvation.
Choose what helps you better following our Saviour teachings and stay away from the one that would help you be like a pharisean.
The truth is important if we are capable of following it.
But we shouldn’t choose to follow a lie just because for as it is easier to follow it and then we call it the truth (mormons,TW, yes I am sorry, and others)
My personal point of view.
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PJM
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"a as in “one” as in a "single set of Faith beliefs IA GODS WAY; GODS WILL AND SO IT IS THE ONE TEAM EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE A PART OF
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PRmerger
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Except that because of this paradigm of “I just need to love Jesus” we now have millions of Christians who have a watered down version of Truth.
Thus, Christians don’t know if baptism is a sacrament or an ordinance…if divorce and re-marriage is adultery or just an unpleasant reality…if the pope is the vicar of Christ, the anti-Christ, or a “first among equals”…if the Eucharist is truly the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ or merely a symbol…etc etc etc
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truthsave
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For these same reasons you are stating I think we should be more concerned about following Christ teachings. More simple but more difficult.Except that because of this paradigm of “I just need to love Jesus” we now have millions of Christians who have a watered down version of Truth.
Thus, Christians don’t know if baptism is a sacrament or an ordinance…if divorce and re-marriage is adultery or just an unpleasant reality…if the pope is the vicar of Christ, the anti-Christ, or a “first among equals”…if the Eucharist is truly the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ or merely a symbol…etc etc etc
every Chritian denomination has his own rules, has its own way of seing thinks for me Eastern Orthodox wrong for you Roman Catholic maybe correct, but at the end what I see are a lot of people fighting not fighting for santity but for the “truth”. But a truth that doesn’t make saints is a useless one.
I am not saying the truth is not important, I think is extremely important if you are willing to do something for it not just a rartional fight.
It is like saying you have the secret how to play golf. The only true secret. But you never play golf. Another one for a reason or another has half a truth but with this half a truth start playing and then with his experience in his heart find the truth. Another one doesn’t know any truth but wants to play, and playing discover the game.
Is a semplification, but too many people are concerned about “office work” religion but unfortunately too many go working on the field.
Mattew 23,23; Marc 7,9
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PRmerger
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Is there some truth that EO proclaims that is contrary to the Catholic Church’s teaching?
There is no need to have an either/or attitude here. We are very capable of doing both: fighting for sanctity AND the truth.
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truthsave
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Sorry I dindn’t say either /or. But if you see there are many people that are great theology but not saint other that are saint but they are simple or even quite basic in their knowledge.
You are right we are capable of doing both. But one is more important then the other one. This is my personal feeling.
What does it means if you know everything and you are not capable of doing anything?
What does it means if you perfectly know how to plant a seed, how to take care of the plant if at the end you don’t go working on the field?
This is my accusation-esortation. Myself I am of this kind, and unfortunately I know I am in good company.
May Jesus have mercy on me and on who is like me.
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PRmerger
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Firstly, truthsave, could you please not nest your responses inside my quote box? It makes it difficult to respond. Please see the threads that detail how to quote properly.
That’s exactly an either/or proposition.
But you said this: not fighting for santity but for the “truth”.
That’s exactly an either/or proposition.
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BrianGular
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Seriously? The God who killed a man for touching the Ark. The God who killed two priests for offering unacceptable incense before him? The God whose image drove Isaiah to the ground. The God who sent his son to die a horrible death on the cross did not have “slack” in mind. This same Jesus will say to some who prophesied in his name, “I never knew you” and banish them to hell.
I would say that RKO is right to be concerned about the truth. God cares very deeply about the truth, how we approach him, and how we worship him.
Jesus made the way. The torn curtain in the temple at the moment of his death was a symbol of the door being opened for us by Christ. With Christ as our savior we need not fear God’s wrath. RKO and the rest of us would do well to keep our focus on Jesus as the author of truth.
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InJesusItrust
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What do you think happened to those pagans who were invincibly ignorant yet listened to their conscience and avoided wickedness? When Jesus harrowed hell what happened?
The only good reason to believe in Christianity in general, and Catholicism in particular, is because you think it is true. You are either culpable for not knowing it is true or not culpable. As long as you truly seek the truth in all things you can minimize your culpability.
I did not say that truth is not important or that Jesus is not the truth. I just spoke about vincible and invincible ignorance.
The only good reason to believe in Christianity in general, and Catholicism in particular, is because you think it is true. You are either culpable for not knowing it is true or not culpable. As long as you truly seek the truth in all things you can minimize your culpability.
I did not say that truth is not important or that Jesus is not the truth. I just spoke about vincible and invincible ignorance.
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Lucky7
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I can’t speak for the other poster, but I was also a bit concerned with your bringing up invincible ignorance. I think in this particular situation it is inappropriate to bring it up. To inform another about it almost borders on helping lead another towards presumption of God’s mercy. I don’t think this is the purpose of this Church teaching and we should be careful about presenting it especially when another is looking to leave the Catholic Church.
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nanuanu
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I am a Muslim and I believe on my religion very much. But I don’t know details about Catholic religion. What is the first believe of it? And I want to answer the question of what is Truth, Truth is the one and only matter of being honest and honesty is one of the obvious at every religion. Actually it is not the fact of religion it is humanity.
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Qoheleth
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Prov 3 5-6
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InJesusItrust
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Well, I see your point. I was just trying to show seeking the truth is very important. I happen to think that anyone searching diligently will find Catholicism.
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Lucky7
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With that my friend we are in agreement!!
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KathleenGee
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First, in regard to the Evangelical’s passing impression that Roman Catholicism has 27 churches in it.
There are 22 rites inside Roman Catholicism, that denote jurisdictions of different cultures that are united with the Holy Father, but do not express cultural rubrics like we do. One I have attended a number of times is the Lebanon Marionite Mass. The priest speaks Syriac at Mass, and when giving out Holy Communion, does so in the very language Christ had used, Aramaic.
It is interesting to see how various local churches broke away from the Papacy and became Orthodox and then returned, the Roman Catholic Ethiopian Church coming to mind.
There are 22 rites inside Roman Catholicism, that denote jurisdictions of different cultures that are united with the Holy Father, but do not express cultural rubrics like we do. One I have attended a number of times is the Lebanon Marionite Mass. The priest speaks Syriac at Mass, and when giving out Holy Communion, does so in the very language Christ had used, Aramaic.
It is interesting to see how various local churches broke away from the Papacy and became Orthodox and then returned, the Roman Catholic Ethiopian Church coming to mind.
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