My point was that for Christians to be unified, they need to keep in mind that God/Christ moves in wonderous ways and even though someone doesn’t “belong” to “our” group, doesn’t mean they do not have the blessing and the backing of the Holy Trinity.
Bamm
Sure. But for Catholics, the Church is not “our” group, it’s Christ’s group. Insofar as other Christians believe and practice in accordance with what Christ’s group does in accxordance with Christ’s commands and the Holy Spirit’s guidance and assurance of freedom from error, they have the backing of the Holy Trinity. Insofar as they depart from it, they are opposed to the Trinity. The Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, who does not contradict Himself.My point was that for Christians to be unified, they need to keep in mind that God/Christ moves in wonderous ways and even though someone doesn’t “belong” to “our” group, doesn’t mean they do not have the blessing and the backing of the Holy Trinity.
He asked an impossible to answer question. How can we provide a satisfactory answer to someone who vehemently disagrees with Tradition? He wanted “proof” that the bible said it was incomplete or insufficient. In his zeal to deny Tradition, he completely overlooked the fact that this is not the purpose of the bible. It was written to complement and preserve Tradition, not supplant it. His answer lies elsewhere, in illumination by the Holy Spirit.
That’s too bad.
I think he ran away because he was embarrassed that we called his bluff and he had no answer.
He was not very logical.
petergee,
BammI think what Petergee is getting at is how can two churches teach conflicting doctrines (i.e. baptism now saves you vs. it’s just a sign) and both be guided by the Holy Spirit.petergee,
I belong to Christ’s group totally, utterly, most emphatically I do. However, I do not belong to the religious organization called the Roman Catholic Church.
Agreed, the Spirit does not contradict Himself, man (meaning mankind) does that.
Notworthy,
Bamm
Since this problem is widespread, there must be a common origen. Who hates the Church that Christ founded, and who works tirelessly to its destruction? Find out and you have the source of the world’s problems.Take for example the recent problems that the Roman Catholic Church has had. Clearly, the men involved were not being guided by the Spirit when they performed their misdeeds. THEY did the contridicting not the Holy Spirit. Yet, one would assume that at some point they had been touched by the Holy Spirit or the Roman Catholic Church would not have ordained them as priests.
But you overlook one thing, my friend. Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would guide the Church to all Truth. If Jesus is not guiding my Church to teach me, then there is no reason to follow it.
Yes, men fail. Of course they do. But tell me any one thing these guys taught in error with the Church’s backing. One thing.
BammChrist’s peace is the source of the worlds problems? Huh?
That’s a name which was invented by others in the 17th century. But yes if you follow Christ you do at least in a partial sense belong to the Catholic Church.
The Spirit guides the Church to prevent it from teaching falsehood. He does not prevent its members from sinning.
Yeah, it’s that whole “weeds and the tares” thing, isn’t it?
Why would one assume that?Notworthy,
Yet, one would assume that at some point they had been touched by the Holy Spirit or the Roman Catholic Church would not have ordained them as priests.