What is your favorite proof for God?

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Just wondering what is your favorite proof for god and why? Personaly I like St. Thomas Aquinas’ first one, All things in motion are put in motion by a first mover, becuse when I apply this proof to my prayer life or any question about faith or morals it leads me to a deeper understanding. What about you?
 
Just wondering what is your favorite proof for god and why? Personaly I like St. Thomas Aquinas’ first one, All things in motion are put in motion by a first mover, because when I apply this proof to my prayer life or any question about faith or morals it leads me to a deeper understanding. What about you?
The love revealed by Jesus in His teaching, life, death and Resurrection…
 
Everything you see proves the existance of God. - Thing 😛
This is the perfect answer. Personally, when I’m asked how I can believe in the existence of some invisible God, I like to answer something like “You believe that the beauty of a sunset, a snow-capped mountain, the rolling waves of the ocean, the dew shining on the plants of a forest in the morning, the music of Mozart, the art of Michelangelo, the love of human relationships, the depth of human knowledge and wisdom, all just fell into place by accident? And you think believing in God is crazy?” What it comes down to, is I see the world as a work of art. I don’t understand how you could see otherwise. Every artwork needs an artist. 🙂

In Christ and Our Blessed Mother,
Frank
 
Just wondering what is your favorite proof for god and why? Personaly I like St. Thomas Aquinas’ first one, All things in motion are put in motion by a first mover, becuse when I apply this proof to my prayer life or any question about faith or morals it leads me to a deeper understanding. What about you?
Energy, and the existance of natural laws. The understanding that the source of all that exists had to be eternal (which is the conclusion both athiests and theist agree on) what that source is, is understood differently be both parties. Athiests say its the universe or some other natural force that is unkown while theists say it is God a super natural being.
 
That I can’t think of an alternative explanation 🙂 It’s comforting to know that when I don’t have the answers to things, I can just insert my favorite shot-in-the-dark hypothesis. Personally, I bow to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but we’re all believers here under our one God, that’s the main thing 🙂
 
That I can’t think of an alternative explanation 🙂 It’s comforting to know that when I don’t have the answers to things, I can just insert my favorite shot-in-the-dark hypothesis. Personally, I bow to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but we’re all believers here under our one God, that’s the main thing 🙂
With the big difference that the worship over the One, True God has brought countless people throughout human history to the fullness of life. People have changed their unsatisfying ways, come out of awful lives to fulfilling peace and goodness. Not to mention the countless miracles given through saints over the ages, just to verify the truth and goodness of following God.

I don’t think your flying spaghetti monster has done much of anything for anybody, except give a few people a laugh. The God, our God, shows us the way to the fullness of life through total love. He is not simply a crutch, a joke, or a lack of a better explanation. No wonder so many people don’t understand our faith! God bless you

In Christ and Our Blessed Mother,
Frank
 
With the big difference that the worship over the One, True God has brought countless people throughout human history to the fullness of life. People have changed their unsatisfying ways, come out of awful lives to fulfilling peace and goodness. Not to mention the countless miracles given through saints over the ages, just to verify the truth and goodness of following God.

I don’t think your flying spaghetti monster has done much of anything for anybody, except give a few people a laugh. The God, our God, shows us the way to the fullness of life through total love. He is not simply a crutch, a joke, or a lack of a better explanation. No wonder so many people don’t understand our faith! God bless you

In Christ and Our Blessed Mother,
Frank
That’s not true at all! When good things happen, it’s my God who instituted them :). I know that when I pray for good things to happen and they do (raising money for the homeless; giving children an education they wouldn’t otherwise have), it’s the work of our heavenly monster. Why else would good things happen to bring people to the fullness of life?
 
That’s not true at all! When good things happen, it’s my God who instituted them :). I know that when I pray for good things to happen and they do (raising money for the homeless; giving children an education they wouldn’t otherwise have), it’s the work of our heavenly monster. Why else would good things happen to bring people to the fullness of life?
Your view of God as a “heavenly monster” reveals your own lack of appreciation for everything you are and everything you possess. There is only one monster around here - obsessed with himself and dominated by filial ingratitude… If you’re so dissatisfied why don’t you opt out of life? Then you would find what you really want - and deserve…
 
Just wondering what is your favorite proof for god and why? Personaly I like St. Thomas Aquinas’ first one, All things in motion are put in motion by a first mover, becuse when I apply this proof to my prayer life or any question about faith or morals it leads me to a deeper understanding. What about you?
Aquinas’ first proof is disproved by the simple concept of negative infinity. We use it in mathematics all the time, in the case of negative infinity, there need no be a first mover, particles of any description could have always existed.
 
Why is that? This thread seems perfect, it discusses the favourite proofs of God.
A detailed discussion of the Resurrection would derail it completely. I’m sure that wasn’t the intention of the OP. Why are you reluctant to start a new thread?
 
A detailed discussion of the Resurrection would derail it completely. I’m sure that wasn’t the intention of the OP. Why are you reluctant to start a new thread?
Maybe I will, but before I do I’m just wondering how anyone is going to go about proving the resurrection without resorting to theological and scriptural arguments? I’m agnostic in reality, perhaps with a tendency to the complete lack of belief, so to avoid any miscommuncations I will just say I don’t believe in God. With that in mind, I reject any theological or scriptural arguments for obvious reasons.

A detailed discussion regarding the Resurrection, with what kind of evidence? Empirical?
 
Getting the thread back on track…

I have many favorites, a few of them are…
  • Seeing my beautiful daughter each and every day
  • Seeing my beautiful wife each and every day
  • Seeing the Grand Canyon
 
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Aquinas’ first proof is disproved by the simple concept of negative infinity. We use it in mathematics all the time, in the case of negative infinity, there need no be a first mover, particles of any description could have always existed.
Forward to reality
In reality, real beings are not like numbers: they need causes, for the chain of real beings moves in one direction only, from past to future, with the future caused by the past.

Positive numbers are not caused by negative numbers. The parallel to the first cause in the number series is “one”. If there were no positive integer, no unit one, there could be no subsequent addtion of units. Two is two ones, three is three ones etc. If there were no first, there could be no second or third. [See *Fundamentals of the Faith, Peter Kreeft, Ignatius, 1988).

There are several proofs for the existence of God, of which four are as first cause.
 
Can you give me some evidence for his resurrection?
I will start with a question. Would you knowingly die for a lie? The apostles who saw Jesus risen from the grave did not lie when they said he is risen. Think about it. Would people who taught morality be able to tell a lie like seeing a man who was tortured to death come back to life and be willing to go to their deaths proclaiming that he is risen when he was not? It is a psycological impossablity that they would make up a lie then go on teaching high moral standards then willingly die for it. And then there are all the others who have died rather than deny that Jesus came back to life.
 
My favorite proof for God is Desire. CS Lewis stated in Mere Christianity that"If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can statisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world".
 
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