What is your favorite thing about the traditional Latin Mass?

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All the things listed are true of the TLM, but they can be true of the NO as well: if you go to Mass at the London or Birmingham (we’re in the UK here) Oratories, the NO is celebrated in Latin for at least one Mass per day, ad orientem and with traditional chant and polyphony on Sundays: one receives Communion in one kind, kneeling - and the atmosphere of reverence and mystery is all around.

And yet…

I still prefer the TLM. Why? Because the liturgy is not only beautiful but redolent of sacrifice and humility; and because, hearing it, I’m connected with the past by an unbroken thread.

Sue
 
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Teresita:
and because, hearing it, I’m connected with the past by an unbroken thread.
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How is the Tridentine Mass any less “unbroken” with the Apostolic liturgies than the Missa Normative is with the Tridentine rite?

When celebrated as you describe, the Normative Mass is just as organic a development in the liturgy as the Tridentine rite was with the rite that came before it.
 
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Sacramentalist:
How is the Tridentine Mass any less “unbroken” with the Apostolic liturgies than the Missa Normative is with the Tridentine rite?

When celebrated as you describe, the Normative Mass is just as organic a development in the liturgy as the Tridentine rite was with the rite that came before it.
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You misread Teresita post.
“Past” ≠ “Apostolic”

If we are speaking of “past” as Teresita said, then there is nothing wrong with her statement. As the past (I presume) encompasses all the centuries back to the time of Pope St. Gregory the Great who reigned from 590 until 604.

as Michael Davies says in his short history of the Roman Missal:
  • “The Order of Mass as found in the 1570 Missal of St. Pius, apart from minor additions and amplifications, corresponds very closely with the order established by St. Gregory.” *
As for your assertion that the NOM was an organic change. Pope Benedict XVI disagreed in his preface to Mgr. Gambers book The Reform of the Roman Liturgy.

“What happened after the Council was something else entirely: in the place of liturgy as the fruit of development came fabricated liturgy. We abandoned the organic, living process of growth and development over centuries, and replaced it - as in a manufacturing process - with a fabrication, a banal on-the-spot product.”
 
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Sacramentalist:
When celebrated as you describe, the Normative Mass is just as organic a development in the liturgy as the Tridentine rite was with the rite that came before it.
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Dear Sacramentalist,

marcus29’s answer to you is correct. He beat me to it,and said it better than I could. I would add, however, that Abbott Boniface Luykx, who also took part in VII came to the same conclusion as then-Cardinal Ratzinger. He speaks of this on the tape Failure of the Liturgical Reform, put out by St. Joseph Communications.

Moreover, both the famous (?) Cardinal Bugnini and a Father Gelineau (of post-VII music fame), claimed to have radically reformed the Church through changes in the liturgy. Organic? I don’t think so!

Now then, I do have a question for you! Why, Sacramentalist, since you have had the Mass as you wish for 40 years, and will, I dare say, have it for at least another 40, do you get so hot under the collar at the thought of the rest of us having the leftovers? If you would just write us off as more ignorant than you, as well as less objective, you could go on with your life without succumbing to the temptation to use those offensive initials. :rolleyes:

Anna
 
what I miss most of all is the beauty of the Churches I attended in former days, and the beauty of the music. I also liked the short 8:00 Sunday low Mass and daily Mass very quiet and reverent, very contemplative. There is very little in the typical liturgy of the typical parish that fosters contemplation.

Is my memory at fault, or did the priest sometimes on great feasts chant the sermon? in Latin?
 
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puzzleannie:
what I miss most of all is the beauty of the Churches I attended in former days, and the beauty of the music. I also liked the short 8:00 Sunday low Mass and daily Mass very quiet and reverent, very contemplative. There is very little in the typical liturgy of the typical parish that fosters contemplation.

Is my memory at fault, or did the priest sometimes on great feasts chant the sermon? in Latin?
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No, he chanted the Epistle and Gospel. If there was a deacon and subdeacon, they would respectively chant the Epistle and Gospel.
 
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Detroiter:
No, he chanted the Epistle and Gospel. If there was a deacon and subdeacon, they would respectively chant the Epistle and Gospel.
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thanks, Detroiter (where in Detroit? I grew up in Royal Oak, St. Mary’s a beautiful church built in 1950s at great cost and sacrifice only to be despoiled less than 10 years after its completion in the post-conciliar “reform”).

the most important thing I miss about the Latin Mass is the uniformity, wherever one attended the Mass was the same, no need to worry about liturgical abuse, have one’s peace of mind disturbed by searching for the tabernacle, or entering a new church and waiting to be assaulted by ugly music, heretical sermons, ad hoc changes in liturgical words and actions, and so forth. The Mass, which used to be a source of unity has become a force for division as each bishop, priest or lay liturgist exerts his own personality at the expense of the universality of the liturgy.
 
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puzzleannie:
thanks, Detroiter (where in Detroit? I grew up in Royal Oak, St. Mary’s a beautiful church built in 1950s at great cost and sacrifice only to be despoiled less than 10 years after its completion in the post-conciliar “reform”).

the most important thing I miss about the Latin Mass is the uniformity, wherever one attended the Mass was the same, no need to worry about liturgical abuse, have one’s peace of mind disturbed by searching for the tabernacle, or entering a new church and waiting to be assaulted by ugly music, heretical sermons, ad hoc changes in liturgical words and actions, and so forth. The Mass, which used to be a source of unity has become a force for division as each bishop, priest or lay liturgist exerts his own personality at the expense of the universality of the liturgy.
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Yes, I live in the Detroit area. Sadly your parish’s fate is normal in the USA and Western Europe. 😦 It just sometimes wants to make you cry.
I agree fully with you and your thoughts. Have you thought of going back to the TLM?
Here’s a listing of Indult TLM’s in the USA[said with the bishop’s permission]
hlatinmass.org/directory.html
 
Although I haven’t attended a traditional Latin Mass since the 1960’s,I will always the remember the opening words. Introibo ad altere Dei, ad Deum qui laetificat juventutem meam. Those words meant something to me, and I was young at the time, and full of enthusiasm.
 
My Grandmother gave me a missal from the Tridentine Mass. Though I have never been to one it seems very beautiful. I don’t think they offer the TLM in my diocese (Salt Lake City) can anyone help?
 
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monkeyman89:
My Grandmother gave me a missal from the Tridentine Mass. Though I have never been to one it seems very beautiful. I don’t think they offer the TLM in my diocese (Salt Lake City) can anyone help?
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According to this site, there is a TLM once a month in Salt Lake City.

Section B: Other than every-Sunday traditional latin masses:

Saint Anne Church
450 East 21st Street South
Salt Lake City, Utah 84105
Celebrant: Msgr. John J. Sullivan
Tel.: (801) 487-1006
1st Sundays: 1.00 p.m.
latinmass.bravepages.com/usacit08.htm
 
For me items 2, 3, and 4 in the poll. The ad orientum, the gregorian chant, and the mystery. :love:

Kathie :bowdown:
 
It’s not a bunch of old fuddy-duddies. 🙂 Not that I have anything against the 50 to 80 crowd, but it’s nice to go to a Mass with people your own age (early 30s).

There just seems to be more energy at the Tridentine Mass I go to (which may be because everyone’s so young including the two priests).

The Novus Ordo Mass seems kind of tired and the music is almost entirely drawn from the last 40 years. I like the musical variety I get at the Tridentine Mass (1,966 years of Catholic music).

Plus, real men go to the Latin Mass. 🙂

And finally, I want my kids baptized in the gool old rite where the priest still applies saliva to the baby, and salt, and all those other fun rituals that some nincompoop cut out of the new baptismal rite. (Anyone who’s watched The Godfather knows what I’m talking about.) 🙂
 
When the chimes are rung to announce the raising of the Host.
 
I voted other because it is the WHOLE of the Mass which is so beautiful.

I love the "Ecce Agnus Dei…"at the fifth Part
I adore the “Sanctus, Sanctus.”… and the whole of the Transsubstantiation and Major Elevation
the “Lavabo inter innocentes…”.
the “Credo inunum Deum…”
the “Misereatur tui omnipotens Deus…”

the prayers before and after Mass

the soleminty and sheer beauty of the Mass, worshiping with other believers and renewing my Faith in this beautiful way:)
 
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