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Justin_Mary
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All faiths have some elements of truth & as such point to the one body of Christ.
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What is your opinion of this article about Evangelicals vs. Roman Catholics? Please read before responding. God bless!š
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GladTidings
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The actions of the person who contributed speak volumes. From the sound of it, this person and his spouse did not understand Catholicism, or they would never have left.
I know they feel their needs were not being met, but you do not react by leaving the Church Jesus created. How do they know God did not have a plan to make something really amazing in their lives and the lives of their children if they had stayed?
But, instead, they decided to usurp their destiny. This is how evangelicals operate. It is all about what they want and when they want it, how they want it. They tell their church what they want.
It is like 2 Timothy chapter 4, verses 3 and 4, in which Paul warns of people who will not listen to sound doctrine, and because of āinsatiable curiosityā will basically hire teachers who will tell them what they want to hear, and then they believe falsehoods.
Evangelicals can start programs they hope will help others, but how successful are these programs? Promise Keepers, for example.
When you place your faith in programs, lectures by charismatic, handsome preachers, talking vegetables, you are not placing your faith in God.
I know they feel their needs were not being met, but you do not react by leaving the Church Jesus created. How do they know God did not have a plan to make something really amazing in their lives and the lives of their children if they had stayed?
But, instead, they decided to usurp their destiny. This is how evangelicals operate. It is all about what they want and when they want it, how they want it. They tell their church what they want.
It is like 2 Timothy chapter 4, verses 3 and 4, in which Paul warns of people who will not listen to sound doctrine, and because of āinsatiable curiosityā will basically hire teachers who will tell them what they want to hear, and then they believe falsehoods.
Evangelicals can start programs they hope will help others, but how successful are these programs? Promise Keepers, for example.
When you place your faith in programs, lectures by charismatic, handsome preachers, talking vegetables, you are not placing your faith in God.
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glencor63
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What if they did understand Catholicism and could not in good conscience remain in the Catholic Church? Should a person remain in a Church whose doctrines and dogmas they cannot accept? Should they sit week after week without belief in the teachings of the Catholic Church? Personal integrity would compel them to leave.
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Brendan_64
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I donāt think the Church should be viewed as a sort of āservice providerā to meet a personās needs. We are not entitled to a certain ālevel of serviceā from the Church. This would seem to me to be a rather consumerist view of religion.
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Brendan_64
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If it is the one true Church then you ought to try to accept that you are wrong and the Church is right, even though that may not be easy.Should a person remain in a Church whose doctrines and dogmas they cannot accept?
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QwertyGirl
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That doesnāt carry much weight. Every religion believes it is the one, true religion.If it is the one true Church then you ought to try to accept that you are wrong and the Church is right, even though that may not be easy.
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MiserereMeiDei
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Rephrasing that question: should someone who has sinned against supernatural Faith and thus lost it remain in the Church? It may be they need to leave for a while. I honestly donāt know.
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Brendan_64
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Matthew 16:18 āYou are Peter and on this rock I will build my ChurchāThat doesnāt carry much weight. Every religion believes it is the one, true religion.
Christ himself built his Church on Peter, of whom the pope is the successor.
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QwertyGirl
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I am not sure if you intended to reply to me, or not.
I had stated that all religions believe they are the one, true religion.
I am not sure why you quoted Matthew 16:18 to me. (?)
I had stated that all religions believe they are the one, true religion.
I am not sure why you quoted Matthew 16:18 to me. (?)
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glencor63
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I think remaining in a church knowing you believe none of what it teaches does not honor God.
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Brendan_64
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So effectively saying that the Church is wrong and walking away is honouring God?I think remaining in a church knowing you believe none of what it teaches does not honor God.
There cannot be a range of opposing viewpoints which are both right.
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Brendan_64
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Yes all religions believe they are true, but they cannot all be correct in this.I had stated that all religions believe they are the one, true religion.
I am not sure why you quoted Matthew 16:18 to me. (?)
I quoted Matthew 16:18 to highlight that as Catholics we believe that the Church has authority from Christ to state truths which bind us. If we say that these truths are wrong we are rejecting the authority of the Church.
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QwertyGirl
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Understood, but if someone doesnāt believe that then it really doesnāt much matter.
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Brendan_64
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And my original post was made on the premise that if the person (a Catholic) believed the Catholic Church was the one true Church ā¦
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QwertyGirl
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Exactly. Obviously they donāt believe it is the one, true church when they leave. Sort of a circular discussion, I guess!
I donāt know anyone who left, while still believing the Church is the one true Church and that all of its teachings are correct. That is why they leave.
I donāt know anyone who left, while still believing the Church is the one true Church and that all of its teachings are correct. That is why they leave.
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Brendan_64
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I would say not always. To leave because they believe the Church is not the true Church then that is one thing, but to leave because they cannot agree with a certain teaching(s), is that not another matter?
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QwertyGirl
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How can they believe the Church is the true church, if they donāt agree with all of the teachings? That is what the Church teaches, that it is correct in all of its teachings (at least the ones Catholics are required to believe).
Take me for example. There are Church teachings I agree with. There are those I donāt. Since the Church teaches things I canāt believe in, I also canāt believe it is the one, true Church. The house of cards caves. It doesnāt mean I donāt find value in the individual cards. It is just that I donāt trust or believe in the house of cards structure as a whole.
Take me for example. There are Church teachings I agree with. There are those I donāt. Since the Church teaches things I canāt believe in, I also canāt believe it is the one, true Church. The house of cards caves. It doesnāt mean I donāt find value in the individual cards. It is just that I donāt trust or believe in the house of cards structure as a whole.
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Brendan_64
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By accepting that perhaps they are wrong and the Church is right. Many Catholics struggle with certain teaching.
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QwertyGirl
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But if they accept the Church is right and they (the individual) is wrong, then they donāt believe the Church is wrong, afterall, and then they stay. Circular.
I say this as someone who really wishes I knew of a one, true Church. I would be all over that. But I have yet to find it. I donāt think it exists.
I say this as someone who really wishes I knew of a one, true Church. I would be all over that. But I have yet to find it. I donāt think it exists.
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Brendan_64
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Are you looking for a true Church or for a Church that agrees with you?I say this as someone who really wishes I knew of a one, true Church. I would be all over that. But I have yet to find it. I donāt think it exists.
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