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Me thinkest thou have dipped into the well of “Chick Tracts” one too many times.
i woiuldn’t be so quick to say that…

there are many in the Church who are not really Catholic… Why is it so hard to conceive of a pope not being Catholic? It could happen…

stranger things have happened…

and there are some saints… (Catherine Emmerich?? not sure of spelling…) who have some interesting things to say…
 
Sacred Scripture or visions and prophecies, Kind of blows the whole “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against It.” thing out of the water.

I have no doubt that these were genuine visions. However I have questions as to whether Anne Catherine Emmerich was having a vision of the entire Catholic Church, could have been a schismatic church, or maybe it was the local abuses that she forewarned that could damage the Church in her region.

“Sister Emmerich lived during one of the saddest and least glorious periods of the Church’s history, when revolution triumphed, impiety flourished, and several of the fairest provinces of its domain were overrun by infidels and cast into such ruinous condition that the Faith seemed about to be completely extinguished. Her mission in part seems to have been by her prayers and sufferings to aid in restoring Church discipline, especially in Westphalia, and at the same time to strengthen at least the little ones of the flock in their belief”. LINK
 
A future pope will most likely be such an unfaithful man that he will be the “false prophet”. There will be nothing christian about him as he will be willing to devote his life to Anti-christ.

This is not an anti-catholic statement. It is the reality of Satan. and the reality of prophecy.
Maybe it will be a great evangelical leader who becomes the false prophet Why does it have to be a Pope?
 
Sacred Scripture or visions and prophecies, Kind of blows the whole “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against It.” thing out of the water.

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tha’ts funny… doesn’t have t hat affect on me at ALL…

because i know that theere will always be a “remnant” as is spoken of frequently in the Word… a remnant who will follow the True Christ, the True Church… whetehr that Church is led by a real pope or a false one…

We are never to blindly follow a man anyway…

I will follow the pope if i know he is a true Catholic… as some saint said a nonCatholic cannot be pope… Ok, i don’t know if thats the exact quote… but whatever… stands to reason you have to be Catholic to be pope…

some site i went to once a couple wks ago said that Pope B is a Mason…

yes, i know there are kooks out there… but how do we REALLY know if its true or not??? we don’t… but we can put our trust in JEsus who is the head of our Church…

i dont know enough abaout Pope B to say one way or the other… about anything concerning him…

but some people have some valid sounding arguments… about how some of the things he says aren’t very Catholic sounding…

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Maybe it will be a great evangelical leader who becomes the false prophet Why does it have to be a Pope?
i used to say the same kind of thing… but it doesn’t mean the Catholic Church is… that there’s anything seriously wrong with it just cuz a pope is the Anti-Christ or involved in the A-Christ syste.m…

the Catholic Church is still the true Church regardless…

even now there are polls that show that only 30% of Catholics believe Catholic doctrine on a myriad of issues… such as artif b control… and the Real Presence…

The Real Presecne … for cyring out loud…That is CENTRAL to being Catholic… the thing that distinguishes us and sets us apart from other christian religions… and something like 70% don’t believe in it…

there has to be this remnant… cuz the mainstream Catholics… for lack of a better term… are not Catholic…

why is it so hard to believe th pope might not be? (not saying this one is…)
 
i used to say the same kind of thing… but it doesn’t mean the Catholic Church is… that there’s anything seriously wrong with it just cuz a pope is the Anti-Christ or involved in the A-Christ syste.m…

the Catholic Church is still the true Church regardless…

even now there are polls that show that only 30% of Catholics believe Catholic doctrine on a myriad of issues… such as artif b control… and the Real Presence…

The Real Presecne … for cyring out loud…That is CENTRAL to being Catholic… the thing that distinguishes us and sets us apart from other christian religions… and something like 70% don’t believe in it…

there has to be this remnant… cuz the mainstream Catholics… for lack of a better term… are not Catholic…

why is it so hard to believe th pope might not be? (not saying this one is…)
I am not espousing blind allegiance. We must have a discerning eye no doubt. However I am not one for all those end of the world, Whore of Babylon, The Pope is the Anti-Christ, Men in Black, Death Cookie subscribers. It’s all a lot of ignorance and an attack against the Catholic faith; I know I used to be one of the ignorant ones.
 
I am not espousing blind allegiance. We must have a discerning eye no doubt. However I am not one for all those end of the world, Whore of Babylon, The Pope is the Anti-Christ, Men in Black, Death Cookie subscribers. It’s all a lot of ignorance and an attack against the Catholic faith; I know I used to be one of the ignorant ones.
i dont like that kind of thing either… but i know the Church is indestructable…

a lot of popes were evil… i heard one even murdered someone…

technically i think wht Moses did was murder… the Egyptian…

but to all that antiCatholic stuff about the Church being the Whore and etc…

i say So What???

changes NOTHING…

the Roman Catholic Church will stand until the end…

Catholicism is forever…
 
i dont like that kind of thing either… but i know the Church is indestructable…

a lot of popes were evil… i heard one even murdered someone…

technically i think wht Moses did was murder… the Egyptian…

but to all that anti[Catholic stuff about the Church being the Whore and etc…

i say So What???

changes NOTHING…

the Roman Catholic Church will stand until the end…

Catholicism is forever…
There’s nothing to prove that the Pope will or was the Antichrist, that is pure anti-Catholic propoganda.

Augustine wrote that anyone who does not follow Christ and who has sins on his soul is actually the Antichrist. Therefore you or I and/or many others could potentially be the Antichrist. We should individually examine ourselves.
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There’s nothing to prove that the Pope will or was the Antichrist, that is pure anti-Catholic propoganda.

Augustine wrote that anyone who does not follow Christ and who has sins on his soul is actually the Antichrist. Therefore you or I and/or many others could potentially be the Antichrist. We should individually examine ourselves.
umm… i dont fit into any of those categories… so i am not AntiChrist…

(not that i had too many doubts… :D)

again, there is no big deal to the pope (future or present) being the antiChrist … Sure its not too cool and all… 😃

but that doesn’t take anything away from Catholicism…

its not like Catholicism will disappear from the face of the Earth if that happened…

altho the antiChrist will want to make it disappear… which makes me think it wont be someone inside the Church … bu then again… look @ all the … uh… “Catholics” in the Church now… hmmm wwhatever…

i don’t really care one way or the other… can’t stop the stuff from happening anyhow… except through prayer & i even wonder abaout that… i mean if God wants something to happen… all the prayer in the world… but who knows??

its just not soemthing to obsess about…

I’m nto going to forsake Jesus just cuz some pope doesn’t follow Him…
 
Catholics are often attacked by both Satan and other Christian religions. It is my personal belief that, while Satan will attack the Church, if we hold steadfast in our faith in God, and if the Papacy sticks to its guns, we will get through the final days.

God would never allow us to fall to Satan. He loves humanity far too much to let that happen, despite the gift of free will. If this is so, he will not allow the people representing him to fall.

It is my honest opinion that God will protect us in the final days. I have only just started to become Catholic, and I have not yet been received into the Church, nor have I received the Eucharist, but I truly believe that, if we stick to God’s plan for us and be faithful, there will be nothing to worry about.

I have even talked to the priest at my Church, and he says that the Book of Revelations is more of a comfort to mankind, so that we know was is to come.

If I may, I would say, don’t worry about it. Just be a good Catholic and surrender yourself to Jesus. Nobody knows when the hour is coming that God will arrive. All we know is that the believers will be protected by God’s grace.

Why worry about something that you cannot change? Why worry about when Christ comes? Nobody knows when he will come again. Just give yourself to Christ, and let God handle the rest. After all, that is why he is here.

As for Anti-Pope Christians, I don’t know what will happen to them, but God will have already had his mind made up as to what their fate will be when they get there. I don’t know if they will go to Heaven or Hell, but I will say this: God knows what he is doing, so don’t worry about it.

As the saying goes: Let go, and let God.
 
“Mystery of iniquity”
(The Pauline doctrine is this: “the day of the Lord” will be preceded by “a revolt”, and the revelation of the “man of sin.” The latter will sit in the temple of God, showing himself as if he were God; he will work signs and lying wonders by the power of Satan; he will seduce those who received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved; but the Lord Jesus shall kill him with the spirit of His mouth, and destroy him with the brightness of His coming. As to the time, “the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way.” Briefly, the “day of the Lord” will be preceded by the “man of sin” known in the Johannine Epistles as Antichrist; the “man of sin” is preceded by “a revolt,” or a great apostasy; this apostasy is the outcome of the “mystery of iniquity” which already “worketh”, and which, according to St. John, shows itself here and there by faint types of Antichrist. The Apostle gives three stages in the evolution of evil: the leaven of iniquity, the great apostasy, and the man of sin.)

newadvent.org/cathen/01559a.htm
 
People who say that the papacy is or will be the seat of anti-christ have never read an encyclical.

Revelations was written to let us know that in the end God and His goodness wins out…

And when the AntiChrist comes, he will contradict papal teachings.

People are going to believe what they want to believe. Can’t control them or change their way of thinking…just pray for them…and use your time elsewhere.
 
traditonal catholic belief states that the antichrist is infact a false pope that claims the authority of God granted by God. The very 666 of the apocalypse is in fact the name of a a false pope.

The funny side… is that the accusers or protestants deny the very concept of the papacy. Yet if the concept of the papcy is wrong then the Antichrist can never be.
 
traditonal catholic belief states that the antichrist is infact a false pope that claims the authority of God granted by God. The very 666 of the apocalypse is in fact the name of a a false pope.

The funny side… is that the accusers or protestants deny the very concept of the papacy. Yet if the concept of the papcy is wrong then the Antichrist can never be.
Hello?
You need to document such a statement.
That is, what is the source behind your statement?
 
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if an antiChrist pope came on the scene, that would not in any way negate Catholicism… ***
Of course. We’re not Donatists, after all. The Pope could be a run-of-the-mill axe murderer for that matter. What does come into play is the charism of infallibility. A pope can’t declare ex cathedra that which contradicts the Deposit of Faith. The opinion that the man of sin will be a pope therefore has some inherent… obstacles.
 
CCC:
The Church’s ultimate trial

675 Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.573 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth574 will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.575

676 The Antichrist’s deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism,576 especially the “intrinsically perverse” political form of a secular messianism.577

va/archive/catechism/p1s2c2a7.htm
 
This is how I respond to christens that are “anti-pope”. I lay down the facts the Church has presented and let them decide. It is not for me the change their mind, but as the Spirit moves them. We don’t know completely how the enemy is going to attack us, but as for me, I take my pastors warning that the Church is now under attack and try to stay close to the Sacraments.
 
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