What Kind Of Church Is This?

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Based on their Celebrate Recovery meetings, this church has some people who raise their hands. Makeup and casual clothing are ok.
 
Hope1960 said:
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Wannano:
It’s simple. Let me show you the vicious circularity of your reasoning: I believe evolution is true. > I am a product of evolution. > My beliefs are programmed by my brain to help me survive, including my belief that evolution is true (and every “fact” I assume that correlates with reality as “evidence” for my position).

Do you see the problem?
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Not really. Please explain further.
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Sorry, this was not my question or post!
 
TheLittleLady said:
Because of Charismatic elements, some folks see any “raising your hands” as “Pentecostal”.
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I think your modern Pentecostal types are a lot more reserved than they were 50 or more years ago when they earned the moniker “holy rollers”.
 
Thing is “Pentecostal” is a generic term, they run the gamut from Oneness Apostolic to Assembly of God with many steps in between.
 
It is a man-made church. At some point in time, one of two things happened. Some people hired a pastor who would tell them what they wanted to hear, or, a pastor decided to create a church. Chances are in both cases these people claim the holy Spirit led them to create a church, which is nonsense because the holy Spirit would never act against Jesus who already created a church.
 
I was speaking about the large concerty churches with special effects lighting and a large projector screen showing things etc. this is the way that the non-denominational churches are in my area. Even the large baptist churches in my area are like this, it’s crazy. This is seriously what the services are like at these places! No reverence whatsoever.
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Apparently God put fossils in the earth to test our faith. I mean I’m a Darwinist myself but I have heard this argument.
 
Hope1960 said:
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I read that book many years ago. It helped a little.
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From Cognitive behavioral therapy of obsessive-compulsive disorder Dialogues Clin Neurosci. 2010 Jun; 12(2): 199–207.
Salkovskis9 offered a cognitive theory of OCD. He proposed that five assumptions are characteristic of OCD:
(i) thinking about an action is the same as doing it;
(ii) failing to prevent harm is morally equivalent to causing harm;
(iii) responsibility for harm is not diminished by extenuating circumstances;
(iv) failing to ritualize in response to a thought about harm is the same as an intention to harm; and
(v) one should exercise control over one’s thoughts (p 579).
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Therefore, while the patient may feel their obsessions are unacceptable, the compulsions used to reduce the anxiety are deemed acceptable.
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Now we know that some of these are false per Catholic teachings, for sin has to do with the will and not mere occurrence of a temptation and there may be diminished culpability due to extenuating circumstances.
 
GladTidings said:
Chances are in both cases these people claim the holy Spirit led them to create a church, which is nonsense because the holy Spirit would never act against Jesus who already created a church.
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it’s not nonsense. Sometimes the Holy Spirit does work in non-Catholics. Deacon Alex Jones is a perfect example that a man can be led by the Holy Spirit to found a church and even go so far as to bring his whole church into the Catholic Church. So I don’t believe that all those years that he was preaching and ministering he wasn’t being led by the Holy Spirit.
 
I mean, ya…I know they exist. It just seems here that non-denominational is synonomous with concert church and I just find that strange I guess.

I know we’re going back and forth about attending a popular “concerty” church that’s semi-local here because my wife says I need to find a “church home”.
 
Vico said:
Now we know that some of these are false per Catholic teachings, for sin has to do with the will and not mere occurrence of a temptation and there may be diminished culpability due to extenuating circumstances.
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So are you saying that in medical matters the Church’s opinion overrules doctors?
 
Hope1960 said:
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Vico:
Now we know that some of these are false per Catholic teachings, for sin has to do with the will and not mere occurrence of a temptation and there may be diminished culpability due to extenuating circumstances.
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So are you saying that in medical matters the Church’s opinion overrules doctors?
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I did not state that there is any conflict with the journal article. The journal article states that those with OCD make with those five assumptions. Some of those assumptions that those with OCD are said to make in the article, are false per Catholic teaching.
 
TC3033 said:
I mean, ya…I know they exist. It just seems here that non-denominational is synonomous with concert church and I just find that strange I guess.

I know we’re going back and forth about attending a popular “concerty” church that’s semi-local here because my wife says I need to find a “church home”.
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I think I’m going to go to their service tomorrow evening, just to see what it’s about. Then again, I may change my mind before then and not go.

I’ve been thinking about the pros and cons on attending this church over the Catholic Church, not that I have any plans on converting at this time; possibly never.

Pros:
  1. They have great Spirit filled, energetic music that makes one feel they’re participating more than how I feel during Mass.
  2. They have awesome lighting to energize the soul.
  3. They focus on the Bible.
  4. They aren’t as fanatical as I once thought they were.
  5. The Holy Spirit May touch my soul in ways I haven’t felt in the Catholic Church in a long time.
Cons:
  1. They don’t have Jesus in the Eucharist (although they do take Communion weekly).
  2. They don’t have Confession and I think being absolved by a priest acting in personae Christi would feel more tangible than confessing directly to God.
  3. They won’t have the wonderful Church smell my Church has.
  4. They don’t have candles to light for myself and others.
  5. They don’t have Adoration.
  6. They don’t have Jesus in the Tabernacle.
  7. They don’t pray to Saints, don’t have Patron Saints.
  8. They don’t pray the Rosary.
  9. They don’t pray for Mary to intercede for them.
  10. Going into the church to pray after worship hours probably won’t feel like a holy, sacred place containing Jesus but just a building, unlike the Catholic Church.
 
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Hope1960 said:
Going into the church to pray after worship hours probably won’t feel like a holy, sacred place containing Jesus but just a building, unlike the Catholic Church.
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The church may not even be open to lay people outside of service. Many Protestant churches aren’t because they don’t have any special reason to go there and pray, like the real presence in the tabernacle.
 
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