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Pope is not mentioned in the bible. However, I do believe the RCC is vividly described in Revelations chapter 17.
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You are stuck on believing that a priest and a building by themselves exclude “church”. Where do you meet- in an open field? Who leads your gathering, do you cast lots or play rock-paper-scissors to see who leads the group?
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Mannyfit75
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It’s not a lie, its the Truth.
First we were called Christians in Antioch and in 107 AD in the same place the Christian Church was called Catholic by St. Ignatius of Antioch.
St. Ignatius Letter to the Smyrnaeans (written in 107 AD). St. Ignatius of Antioch was the Disciple of St. John the Apostle.
Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop.
See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.
History proves you wrong. I don’t lie when it comes to Church history, believers. I am not here to deceived anyone. I only speak the Truth.
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dosdog
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Martin Luther also fanned the flames of intolerance, “Whoever teaches otherwise than I teach, condemns God, and must remain a child of hell.”
Theodore of Beza wrote: “What crime can be greater or more heinous than heresy, which sets at nought the word of God and all ecclesiastic discipline? Christian magistrates, do your duty to God [speaking in Calvin’s Geneva of 1554], who has put the sword into your hands for the honor of His majesty; strike valiantly these monsters in the guise of men.” He went on to characterize those who demanded freedom of conscience “worse than the tyranny of the pope. It is better to have a tyrant, no matter how cruel he may be, than to let everyone do as he pleases.”
biblia.com/christianity/inquisition.htm#Protestants
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Mannyfit75
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The Pope comes from the word, Papa, or father. It is not in the Bible but Catholic believes that the first Pope is St. Peter. He was the bishop of Rome which was succeeded by Linus, then Cletus, and then Clement of Rome. We even have writings of Clement himself.
There were bishops then at the time of Apostles.
I would really have to disagree with your interpretation that the RCC is the one mention in Revelations Chapter 17 that describe harlot.
There is error in your interpretation. The Babylon describe there is the ancient pagan Rome. The Book of Revelationn was written in the late first Century during the persecution of the Early Christians. It is not to be read in modern context.
That’s just pure Protestant bias
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Mickey
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The Pope is a bishop.
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There’s nothing “blind” about my faith. I believe God’s Word to be true. I don’t worship the Bible. I don’t pray to the Bible or kneel down in front of it. I worship Jesus and God’s Word teaches me how to be a true follower of Jesus Christ.
How exactly can my faith be blind? The Bible described the earth as circular with volume hanging on nothing. I look at Israel and the prophecies fulfilled. Can’t argue with that. Bible must be true. Either believe in God or evolution. I choose God.
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So what are bishops?The Pope is a bishop.
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exoflare
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Great… the Pope cannot exist because the word “Pope” is not explicitly mentioned in the Bible, but somehow you were able to get the phrase “Roman Catholic Church” out of Revelation (it’s not called “Revelations”
) chapter 17. This gets funnier by the day.btw, would you mind giving a straight answer to those other questions of mine you keep ignoring?
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Mannyfit75
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The Bible is True because the Church claim it is True. In a way, you recognized the Church’s authority since she form the Bible 300 yrs after Jesus ascended into heaven.
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dosdog
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Acts Of Apostles 20 28 Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
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Great, another red herring… look I know you don’t really “worship” the Bible. That was tongue-in-cheek if you really couldn’t tell. Case closed on that, ok?
Which verses are you talking about? Anyway, this would still be basing your belief in the divine inspiration of a whole COLLECTION of books based on a few verses found in some of the books. You’re a long way from making any sense out of this.
Um, we’re not talking about evolution… nice try at derailing the thread again though.
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Your pope exists whether want to believe it or not. He’s your “holy father”. And, I’m not ignoring your questions…you just don’t like my answers.Great… the Pope cannot exist because the word “Pope” is not explicitly mentioned in the Bible, but somehow you were able to get the phrase “Roman Catholic Church” out of Revelation (it’s not called “Revelations”
btw, would you mind giving a straight answer to those other questions of mine you keep ignoring?
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You questioned the Word of God being true. So I cited verses as I would an atheist doubting the Word of God. Only God would have known the true shape of the earth.
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Mannyfit75
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Your answers are dishonest. The fact that the Pope did exist is reality. He is Peter, because Jesus built his Church upon Peter in Matthew 16:18.
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dosdog
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9 “Call none your father upon earth”… Neither be ye called masters. The meaning is that our Father in heaven is incomparably more to be regarded, than any father upon earth: and no master to be followed, who would lead us away from Christ. But this does not hinder but that we are by the law of God to have a due respect both for our parents and spiritual fathers, (1 Cor. 4. 23: 15,) and for our masters and teachers.
drbo.org/chapter/47023.htm
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They are not dishonest just because you’ve been deceived into believing that lie. The church was NEVER built on Peter but Peter’s confession that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Petros and Petra are differences which you refuse to believe.
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Mannyfit75
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Any Catholic acknowledge the Word of God in its Fullness because we believed that Jesus built a Church upon Peter, and that Peter and Apostles handed their authority to the bishops. We see this in the Catholic Church as well as the Orthodox Church.
Two of these Churches are ancient and are deep with in worship to the Word of God in their Liturgy.
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dosdog
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Many Catholics have heard that “kepha” is used in both places in this verse ("You are Peter [kepha] and on this rock [kepha] I will build my Church . . . "), but few have seen it with their own eyes.
So I he it and here 'tis:
jimmyakin.org/2005/04/while_were_at_i.html
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Then why does the RCC insist on giving the title of “father” to the priests? Jesus said to His true followers not to give that title to anyone.
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