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Lehl
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Zerinus,
You have still failed miserably to show where Mormonism is early “true Christianity”.
Early Christianity IS Catholic.
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You have still failed miserably to show where Mormonism is early “true Christianity”.
Early Christianity IS Catholic.
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why_me
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Well, of course, mormons have something called a seventy. In the bible, the early church also had a seventy. Mormons also have a bishop with the responsibilities that is implied in the new testament. Then, mormons have 12 apostles. Something that the early church had too. Mormons also stress the temple nature of the body…as the new testament states. Then, there is baptism for the dead as stated in the new testament. Plus, the degrees of glory in heaven as in the king james version of the bible.
I was not around during the early church and so, I have no idea what it was like. But the mormons follow it pretty closely as stated in the bible.
I am afraid there can only be two churches that can claim truth: the lds and the catholic.
I was not around during the early church and so, I have no idea what it was like. But the mormons follow it pretty closely as stated in the bible.
I am afraid there can only be two churches that can claim truth: the lds and the catholic.
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why_me
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Mormonism is not a cult. It is just different and different does not make a cult.
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pigtown
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You are so right. Anyone who claims Mormonism is a cult has not really read the Bible since the Mormon Church leadership does follow the early Church as described in the Bible.
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majick275
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no they didn’t this is due to the KJV inaccuracy of the term for seventy two and it really was a number not a specific priesthood office.
how so? they have the same title is that it?
no, mormons have 15 apostles, something that the early church did not.
agreed…as do many religions.
nowhere does it state that is a correct practice nor does it imply anything resembling the LDS version of it.
which have nothing to do with diferent “heavens” as the LDS claim. it is a simple exercise in analogy. earthly-heavenly, sun-moon-stars. IT never extends this to different kingdoms.
so what makes you think this? we have the writings of early Christians describing their worship and their understanding of the scriptures and their practices. it is Catholic and bears no resemblance to the mormons. where was the Christian temple? the “endowment”? celestial marriage? a first presidency? symbolic only communion where the materials don’t matter? eternal progression? the office of prophet, seer and revelator? these are modern american inventions. missouri was neither the garden of eden nor will it be the zion of the second coming. masonic necromancy will not save anyone and it wasn’t practiced by the early church that we know from history.
NO!!! there can be only one! the LDS teach that as well. have no doubt it is the Catholic chrurch that was here all along just as Christ promised. he did NOT leave anyone orphans through global apostasy. he did not wait until Joseph smith to start his church.
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PaulDupre
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Any religion that wants me to promise to have my throat slit if I reveal the secret handshake is a cult.
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Delraek
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I’m not going to say that Mormonism is a cult, but my cousin used to live in SLC when he first got married and said that he would not raise a family there because of the Mormon families not allowing their kids to play with kids from other faiths. That is definitely NOT a Christian value! 
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Contarini
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I think “cult” is a pretty useless term.
Mormonism is heresy. It violates basic teachings of orthodox Christianity, such as the Trinity, the oneness and eternity of God, and the finality of revelation in Christ. It can reasonably be said to be in some sense a separate religion from orthodox Christianity, given that it has its own body of Scripture (in the same way that Christianity is in some sense a different religion from Judaism).
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why_me
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And any faith that has a purgatory to scare its members to tow the line and describes such a place as unhappy is a cult too. Not to mention burning in Hell.
See my point? One liners are not helpful since such one liners can be used against most religious faiths.
I don’t believe the catholic church is a cult.
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Donald45
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From a Christian perspective, there are four factors which define what’s known as a “Christian cult”:
1) The group claims to be Christian in nature
2) It denies one or more central and defining doctrines of the Christian faith
3) The group relies on sources of revelation not approved or accepted within the Christian faith
4) It can be traced to a single dynamic individual
Mormonism certainly fits this pattern completely. As for #2, Mormonism denies, among other things, the doctrine of the Trinity. This immediately disqualifies Mormonism as a “Christian” group. For #3, Mormons hold to The Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price, and Doctrines and Covenants as authoritative sources of divine revelation. Clearly, Mormonism, while comprised of some very nice people, is not a legitimate expression of the Christian faith, and instead qualifies as a Christian cult----an illegitimate offshoot of genuine Christianity.
Blessings,
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zerinus
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If this definition is correct, then Catholicism is a sect, because it conforms to all these criteria.
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Donald45
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This response was expected. However, you’d be hard-pressed to show how the Catholic Church----the very Church established by Jesus Christ himself, and the historic Christian faith (Mt. 16:18-19)----qualifies in any way as a Christian cult. You’re welcome to try, in any case. Please present your case based on the criteria provided.
Or, maybe I can save you some time:
- Catholicism claims to be Christian in nature (no problem).
- Catholicism denies one or more central and defining Christian doctrines (of course, here your argument collapses completely)
- Catholicism relies on sources of revelation not approved or accepted within the Christian faith (nope, quite the reverse)
- Catholicism can be traced to a single dynamic individual (yes, Jesus Christ himself) [Mt. 16:18-19]
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lukewarm
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Man if that’s a cult someone get those Nuns out of the convent and immediately remove Opus Dei as a prelature…
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zerinus
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Catholicism claims to be Christian.
Catholicism denies the correct (biblical) doctrine of the Trinity—the three divine personages. Mormonism holds to the correct (biblical) doctrine of the Trinity.
Catholicism accepts the Apocrypha as a source of revelation, not accepted by most Christian churches.
Catholicism can be traced to a single dynamic individual—Jesus Christ!
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lukewarm
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All religions when broken down can fit into the mold of a “cult” but by modern standards I wouldn’t agree that Islam, Mormonism are cults. Both regulate your time, what you wear, what you eat, can be traced to one dynamic individual etc… But I wouldn’t consider either a cult. I believe mormonism started off as a cult under Joseph Smith, but later went more mainstream.
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why_me
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There is some truth here. In fact, some have called opus dei a cult. And the nuns do live a rather sheltered life. Perhaps they also belong to a cult. One can go on and on about this. I do think that the catholics who post antimormon posts need to take a look at their faith and what an anti-catholic can also say about it.
I call for peace between religious faiths by stressing commonality and not difference.
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lukewarm
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For what it’s worth I believe Opus Dei to be a cult, that said what you are preaching is false ecumenism. Disagreeing with doctrine and quoting previous LDS prophets and church leaders is not a use of anti-mormonism. Debating the validity of a religion is what the board is here for.There is some truth here. In fact, some have called opus dei a cult. And the nuns do live a rather sheltered life. Perhaps they also belong to a cult. One can go on and on about this. I do think that the catholics who post antimormon posts need to take a look at their faith and what an anti-catholic can also say about it.
I call for peace between religious faiths by stressing commonality and not difference.
Mormonism is the only religion I can think of that can be completely debunked by the writings, changes, and contradictions of their own prophets over time, even their own scriptures contradicts mormonism down to its very core. “Anti’s” don’t need to make stuff up, therefore if someone disagrees with mormonism and uses previous LDS prophets and apostles to do it, it has to be called “anti”.
By your standards the BofM is an “anti-catholic” book, and Zerinius is deeply anti-Catholic and anti-Christian.
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BartBurk
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In some ways the Book of Mormon could be considered an anti-Mormon book especially with its depiction of the Godhead as One Eternal God and its condemnation of plural marriage.
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