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floresco
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Really, it doesn’t. It was not even especially useful the first time you said it.
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James924
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I don’t get you. What is with the straw-man argument about it not being an official term? Who cares? We’re using the English language here and we’re permitted to do that. There’s nothing wrong with a guy identifying himself as a conservative catholic and wanting to hang out with like minded folks. Nor is there a problem with a charismatic catholic using that term to describe their style of devotion or worship.
Why are you trying to fabricate nonexistant rules that say Catholics may only use adjectives in the English language that have officially been designated by the church?
The term means what it means in the English language. You’re being silly and this is beginning to smell like an intentional flame war intent on raising tensions and dividing Catholics on this forum (ironically the result that the name is falsely accused of having).
I’m done listening to the childish “I’m going to continue repeating my dislike of the word until everyone agrees with me despite the fact that it is an established word in the English language and has been for decades” nonsense.
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Semper_Fi_1
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I am a Traditional Catholic. I attend a SSPX Church in Fort Collins Colorado whenever I have the opportunity to. The Mass is said in Latin, and when I cannot attend the SSPX community in Fort Collins, I attend the Spirit of Christ Catholic Community in Arvada, Colorado. I believe that what makes one a “Traditional,” Catholic is that there is something that we believe in. The SSPX just rejoined with Rome, so they are not split off anymore. There are some things that I have been able to understand, and I have understood some things to be true about the SSPX. I am a SSPX’er and I believe that I am a “Traditional,” Catholic.
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Bookcat
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(gee very heavy suggestions of my motives …:ehh
The person asked a question. I gave my answer…if you do not like my answer so be it. But it is what I hold…it is rather a “misnomer”…for all Catholics (of whatever preference) are to be “Traditional Catholics”…holding fast to what is handed on from the Apostles.
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floresco
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Could you clarify this statement please? I have not heard anything like this.
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Bookcat
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Even the very uses that one has seen on this forum over time – of “Traditional Catholic” --has so many many different meanings.
A person might use it to mean they are a member of a group who rejects the latest Popes…
another cause the prefer the EF of the Roman Liturgy…
another cause they have some particular love for the Council of Trent…
another uses it cause they reject Vatican II
etc etc
What on earth does it mean???
Hence even the question of the thread.
A person might use it to mean they are a member of a group who rejects the latest Popes…
another cause the prefer the EF of the Roman Liturgy…
another cause they have some particular love for the Council of Trent…
another uses it cause they reject Vatican II
etc etc
What on earth does it mean???
Hence even the question of the thread.
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Oneofthewomen
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After reading this thread and many others like it, thewanderer, I have come to believe that what makes a “traditional catholic” is one who thinks that their way is the only way, whatever that way is. 
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Bookcat
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PS: Pax Tecum
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YoungTradCath
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Then I guess some “liberal” Catholics could just as easily be traditional Catholics. But… no.After reading this thread and many others like it, thewanderer, I have come to believe that what makes a “traditional catholic” is one who thinks that their way is the only way, whatever that way is.
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floresco
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Repeatedly stating that it is a misnomer does not answer the question and is not helpful. Please stop interfering with the people who want to discuss the topic of the thread.
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floresco
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You mean like a person who keeps repeating his opinion instead of engaging in two-way discussion?After reading this thread and many others like it, thewanderer, I have come to believe that what makes a “traditional catholic” is one who thinks that their way is the only way, whatever that way is.
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Bookcat
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This is at the heart of this question of the thread:
“What makes somebody a “Traditional” Catholic”?
Of why it is a question.
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Bookcat
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Where did I use the term misnomer there?? I am not interfering with anyone I am posting on a thread on a particular topic.
Pax Tecum
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Bookcat
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This goes to the heart of the question of the thread itself.
If so many differing groups and persons ascribe it to themselves-- what does it mean even as a descriptive label?
This is an honest question. If one person from one of the groups begins to answer…one will find later a group or person who will use it to mean other things…
If someone says “I am a Traditional Catholic” the next question one has to ask is “what do you mean?” for they could be a person who simply prefers the EF of the Mass or the Period following Trent (or other like things) ----- or that they think that the EF is the only form of the Mass…or they could even be some group that thinks Pope Benedict XVI is not the Pope! or Vatican II was not a valid Council. The term gets used by so many differing groups and persons.
Hence too my thought at the beginning that I would love if say the legit groups would choose other terms to describe themselves…
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GraceDK
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My experience tells me that all Christians who are serious about their faith and tries to follow Jesus to the best of their understanding would refer to themselves as TRADITIONAL.
if someone tells me I am not traditional because I like a mass where I can follow every word, and latin isnt one of my fluent languages… sorry, but I don’t think its up to that person to give me a label as non-traditional.
If I meet someone who introduces himself as “a traditional Catholic” I will chuckle inside because his way of using the word might be different or at least not to the liking of many of us.
Because when I hear the word traditional I think of “original” and “how it used to be”.
But where it used to be, and at what time… thats the preference of the “traditionalist” hilself, so there is a strong subjective element.
In other words I would think most people at CAF are traditionalists, whether they like drums played in the mass (because they enjoy an african mass… and drums are more original than the organ at any rate) or they prefer the old semitic languages over latin… as for a church language latin came last as we know, so its not traditional unless you wish it to be so…
I think even this thread illustrates that one kind of traditional people who try to hijack this word to the annoyance of everyone else.
I guess its often because when a person says he is traditional he is drawing a line between himself and other serious Catholics.
So I say to these… loose that word and be more clear in your preference
if someone tells me I am not traditional because I like a mass where I can follow every word, and latin isnt one of my fluent languages… sorry, but I don’t think its up to that person to give me a label as non-traditional.
If I meet someone who introduces himself as “a traditional Catholic” I will chuckle inside because his way of using the word might be different or at least not to the liking of many of us.
Because when I hear the word traditional I think of “original” and “how it used to be”.
But where it used to be, and at what time… thats the preference of the “traditionalist” hilself, so there is a strong subjective element.
In other words I would think most people at CAF are traditionalists, whether they like drums played in the mass (because they enjoy an african mass… and drums are more original than the organ at any rate) or they prefer the old semitic languages over latin… as for a church language latin came last as we know, so its not traditional unless you wish it to be so…
I think even this thread illustrates that one kind of traditional people who try to hijack this word to the annoyance of everyone else.
I guess its often because when a person says he is traditional he is drawing a line between himself and other serious Catholics.
So I say to these… loose that word and be more clear in your preference
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floresco
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When I started attending the EF rather than the OF whenever possible, I found that a term was attached to Catholics who do this. I didn’t hijack anything. I found the language this way. I would perfectly happy to use some other term if other people understood it and I could communicate with it.I think even this thread illustrates that one kind of traditional people who try to hijack this word to the annoyance of everyone else.
I guess its often because when a person says he is traditional he is drawing a line between himself and other serious Catholics.
So I say to these… loose that word and be more clear in your preference
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GraceDK
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Well… just see this thread… Its full of different oppinions about what the word means and ought to mean
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floresco
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While there are people giving opinions about what the term ought to mean, I think that everyone can tell what Mass I want to go to when I say I am a traditional Catholic. Perhaps I could accomplish the same thing by calling myself an “extraordinary Catholic”, taking the name of my preferred form of Mass. Or, since I believe that organic development is very important in liturgy, perhaps I could be called an “organic Catholic”. Or should that be “developmental Catholic”?Well… just see this thread… Its full of different oppinions about what the word means and ought to mean
It is not that there is some other perfectly good term that I could use and be understood. I am stuck with “traditional Catholic” because that is what there is. I do not think it is ideal, but, if I am to have a short convenient way to sum up my position, what choice do I have?
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Exsilivm
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This is true about any term. Orthodox, for example, perceive themselves as “Catholic,” and Catholics perceive themselves as Orthodox. It is possible to put a word in context, and make use of it contextually.
It is not valid to deny someone’s viewpoint by denying their ability to use words to describe it. The tactic, so common after communism, is unfortunately widespread.
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YoungTradCath
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Most self-described “traditional Catholics” do mean the same thing when they label themselves as such.Well… just see this thread… Its full of different oppinions about what the word means and ought to mean
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